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kitezilla

Since 22 Jun 2006
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Tue Jun 16, 09 6:35 am |
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Here is a link to a thread on Kiteforum, in which I present and defend the case for learning to tie a half-hitch in a specific manner. At great length, I think that I covered every possible detail related to this maneuver.
The title is: Self-rescue Knot: How to tie it
http://www.kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2347460&start=0&hilit=self+rescue
Tying up your bars at the end of the day, using this technique, is a good way to become proficient at using the knot efficiently. A good skill to develop, and very useful in performing a self-rescue...as long as you know how to do the procedure, BEFORE you need to do it in earnest. Performing the task every time you pack up your lines will make you proficient. It is a good idea to practice it while watching TV also... to make the procedure instinctive. The time to learn it is NOT during a self-rescue on the water!
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bulae99
Since 12 Jul 2006
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I give out bad advice.
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Tue Jun 16, 09 6:46 am OK, is the line under load from the kite? |
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If it is then sticking your hand in the half hitch may not be such a good idea. I was just showing a friend how to self rescue and the way you do this when in the water, feet not touching, is a different story.
1. Flag the kite
2. pull safety line in to the ball. Careful to coil all line in front of you, not behind you, or over your head etc..
3. quickly spool 5 to 6 wraps of line around the bar!
4. Start reeling in the kite.
**depending on conditions you may just want to get to the kite and skip the line wrap.
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
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Tue Jun 16, 09 7:02 am Re: OK, is the line under load from the kite? |
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bulae99 wrote: | If it is then sticking your hand in the half hitch may not be such a good idea. I was just showing a friend how to self rescue and the way you do this when in the water, feet not touching, is a different story.
1. Flag the kite
2. pull safety line in to the ball. Careful to coil all line in front of you, not behind you, or over your head etc..
3. quickly spool 5 to 6 wraps of line around the bar!
4. Start reeling in the kite.
**depending on conditions you may just want to get to the kite and skip the line wrap.
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thanks mb
I mean Bulae
I guess if there's no waves you could dive into your lines and fuk around out in the water
I just make a decision to either relaunch ,let the kite drag me in ,or ditch the thing.
until you seen or been the person tied up in lines
you may want to hang around your lines
but I swim upwind and away from them as fast as possible
sooner or later everything goes to shit
even you wetsuit can turn against you
I use a half hitch to finish my line tying after sess.
but a cats ass(single line wrap) can easily pull off a finger
and no piece of fabric is worth that to me
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bulae99
Since 12 Jul 2006
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Tue Jun 16, 09 7:15 am I prefer to ziplock my bag for freshness |
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Ziplock makes an extra large bag that I place my bar in daily.
It's about freshness
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kitezilla

Since 22 Jun 2006
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Tue Jun 16, 09 10:46 am Re: OK, is the line under load from the kite? |
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[quote="blowhard"] bulae99 wrote: | If it is then sticking your hand in the half hitch may not be such a good idea. |
You are right that you would not want to "stick your hand in the half-hitch". The picture does look like you are doing that, until you actually try the maneuver, and then, once you have mastered the motions, you will realize that the hand is not "stuck in the half-hitch", but that the picture shows the exact split second that the coil is being "thrown" over the top of the bar. The hand forms a "funnel" to guide the line so that it will quickly slip down over the top of the bar. This is why the motion should be practiced until it is instinct, and can be done smoothly and quickly... and that is why it is a good ideas to do this maneuver every time you roll up your lines...so that you can take advantage of the "habit", and have it work smoothly and quickly, when you really need to do it.
If something goes wrong at the exact split second during which you have your hand in the position of the picture, showing the "throwing" of the loop over the top of the bar, then, you can just as easily reverse the motion of the hand, as you used to form the loop, in the first place, and so, I would make the case that this procedure allows the safest and quickest reversal of the half-hitch knot attempt.
If you think about it, you will realize that the "normal" way to tie a half-hitch or clove hitch, is to perform the motion and hold the loop or loops with BOTH hands, where the fingers of both hands, are forced to pass through the loops in order to hold the loops open and position them, while you hook the loops over the post or other object. This procedure takes a few seconds to perform, and therefore, if unexpected tension on the line occurs during this fairly length period of time, then the result can be the entrapment of BOTH hands in the knot.
Don't let the pictures freak you out and dissuade you from learning this very helpful knot-tying procedure. Most people do react the way you did to the pictures, so don't feel bad...but give it a try...you may want to add a new tool to your kiteboarding tool-belt!
Now, "self-rescue"...there's a topic for debate...
I didn't mean to have this thread hijacked by "self-rescue"...the only reason I mentioned the subject, was to emphasize that the practice of this method of tying the half-hitch may come in handy during certain styles of self-rescue and pack-down...but that the time to learn the procedure is definitely not while you are trying to self-rescue...but at your leisure, when you will not be likely to get into trouble...that is, each day, when you routinely pack-up your bar.
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SalmonSlayer
Since 27 Nov 2005
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Tue Jun 16, 09 11:50 am Re: OK, is the line under load from the kite? |
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kitezilla wrote: | ......This is why the motion should be practiced until it is instinct, and can be done smoothly and quickly... and that is why it is a good ideas to do this maneuver every time you roll up your lines...so that you can take advantage of the "habit", and have it work smoothly and quickly, when you really need to do it.....
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When I was commercial fishing, I required that my crew have the skill to tie knots behind their back. This skill may only pay off once in your life, but, you will think the practice was worth it when it saves your a**. I guarantee it.
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Gman

Since 11 Feb 2006
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Tue Jun 16, 09 11:56 am |
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my dad used to have me practice tying bowlines (one handed) behind my back - old school - now I just need to get it with a handle pass
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Blue

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Tue Jun 16, 09 12:11 pm Re: OK, is the line under load from the kite? |
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kitezilla wrote: |
If you think about it, you will realize that the "normal" way to tie a half-hitch or clove hitch, is to perform the motion and hold the loop or loops with BOTH hands, where the fingers of both hands, are forced to pass through the loops in order to hold the loops open and position them, while you hook the loops over the post or other object. |
Actually not true. You can tie a clove hitch around the bar with one hand, and entirely avoiding trapping fingers or hand inside a loop. I cannot find any links to the method, so I will post photos how I do it later.
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bwd

Since 04 Aug 2007
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Wed Jun 17, 09 5:37 am |
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Come on, you can literally throw a clove hitch at a post 10 feet away, it's not that hard.
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MIXWELL

Since 10 Mar 2007
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Wed Jun 17, 09 12:24 pm |
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seems way chipey to me!
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pdxmonkeyboy

Since 16 May 2006
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Wed Jun 17, 09 2:10 pm |
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Again, you can form two loops and put the second one under the first. Your only holding them with your fingers. But ummm, what was the point again?
Self rescues? Can't recall using a clove hitch during the important parts of a self rescue. maybe to secure everything once I get to the kite.
I think its important that we over analyze everything to the point of paralysis.
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kitezilla

Since 22 Jun 2006
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Thu Jun 18, 09 6:05 am |
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If one is performing the IKO style self-rescue, where the lines are figure-eight wound onto the bar, as the kiter swims to the downed kite, then "house-keeping" of the lines is a key element of preventing problems related to loose lines and their ability to snag on parts of the kiter's body such as feet, fingers, arms and hands...along with parts of the kiters harness, hook, bar and hardware...sooo, it is important to keep the lines and bar "tidy"....and this is where the method of tying the half-hitch knot comes in handy. I would present the case that it is a good idea, when performing this style kite retrieval (IKO style...not the one-line style), that the kiter secure the recently-wrapped-up lines to the bar at two particular times, during the procedure...the first time would be when the kiter is about half-way to the kite, and the second time would be when the kiter is about a kite length away from the kite.
At both times, the kiter will have 4 or 5 lines to position into the half-hitch, not just one line...and also, of the 4 or 5 lines one line (or in the case of the new 2 line safetys, the kiter will have 2 lines) under tension and the rest of the lines will be slack. This fact creates the situation, where a half-hitch or clove hitch can not be tied in the conventional style...but must be tied in a style which is quick and secure, and includes ALL the lines in the knot. This is an overriding concern when the kiter is under duress, and this is why the method should be practiced until it is instinct.
Unlike most kiters, I consider the subject of "self-rescue" to be a gigantic concern to kiters, and one that is worthy of a great deal of analysis. I feel that each phase of the procedure is important and deserves a well-thought-out plan. Having a "quiver" of efficient and effective "tools" in your toolbox, at the time of performing a self-rescue can reduce the panic-anxiety aspect of the situation and increase the kiter's self-confidence, and thereby reduce the "threat alert condition red" to a nice comfortable condition "lemony-beige".
Sorry to be so wordy and potentially anxiety-stimulating, but it is my philosophy that when giving advice, it is important to be specific, especially in matters where one is dealing with danger. I think that it is important that the potential "innocent victim" understand exactly what is being proposed...and many times that understanding can not be achieved in just a few words. Being casual and flippant is a good policy in general, but not when giving advice that really matters. I am a "systems" kind of guy and therefore, always seek to improve my habits, and I welcome all criticism of any technique I may propose.
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shymac

Since 20 Jul 2005
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Mark

Since 20 Jun 2005
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Thu Jun 18, 09 9:42 am |
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Or you could use the small stretch cords at the end of your bar. (if your bar is NAISH) Super easy.
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