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EvanOR
Since 30 May 2008
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 Sun May 31, 09 6:52 am Urgent Access Issues in Cali, please take action here |
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Due to the CA budget crisis and the failure of the CA electorate to support a solution (bond issues in the recent election), the governor has set forth a proposal to close, lock up and shutter 80% of the parks in the CA State system. This includes Waddell Creek (Ano Nuevo), Half Moon Bay, Tomales Bay, Sonoma Coast, Pismo etc etc and others in the SF Bay area and across the state.
Next Tuesday, June 2, the Legislature's Budget Conference Committee will consider this proposal. State park and coastal advocates need to make their voices heard RIGHT NOW. Your contact to your legislators is critical.
To see how you can be heard and help try to prevent these closures please go to special Surfrider Foundation site: http://actionnetwork.org/campaign/caparks05_09?qp_source=fb
Tell your CA State representatives and the Governor that closing the CA State Parks is unacceptable.
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SalmonSlayer
Since 27 Nov 2005
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| Sun May 31, 09 8:14 am Re: Urgent Access Issues in Cali, please take action here |
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| EvanOR wrote: |
Political Side-note: People we need to pay (TAXES) to play. No revenue for state means no services for residents of the state. I recommend repeal of Prop 13 and support other measures to fund the state budget. |
Evan,
Good luck with your petition, however, your statement above shows that you have it 100% backwards.
Any person with half an ounce of fiscal commonsense and no political pressures or aspirations could look at any government agency or program and find ways to save money.
What you are suggesting is no better of a solution that giving a heroin addict more heroin to solve his addiction problem.
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
2027 Posts
Windward
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| Sun May 31, 09 8:27 am Re: Urgent Access Issues in Cali, please take action here |
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| SalmonSlayer wrote: | | EvanOR wrote: |
Political Side-note: People we need to pay (TAXES) to play. No revenue for state means no services for residents of the state. I recommend repeal of Prop 13 and support other measures to fund the state budget. |
Evan,
Good luck with your petition, however, your statement above shows that you have it 100% backwards.
Any person with half an ounce of fiscal commonsense and no political pressures or aspirations could look at any government agency or program and find ways to save money.
What you are suggesting is no better of a solution that giving a heroin addict more heroin to solve his addiction problem. |
don't be ridiculous ,
the government is in the banking,car and feel really great business.
What we need is more banks that don't suffer for thier lending stupidty
and for sure more cars ,
hardly any cars now 
they no mor than u do  
I would put it at a "lick" of common sense
easier to measure a "lick"
oh ya ,
stupid electorates
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EvanOR
Since 30 May 2008
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I've pulled that part from the post, as the point is to stick the issue here. I agree that wastage and mismanagement of public funds is probably (as it is in general) a huge part of the problem. That pretty much goes without saying though......
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
2027 Posts
Windward
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| Sun May 31, 09 8:41 am |
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too many board meetings
apparentally.
not enuf work going on
perhaps goverment ought to spend money on things that help the future (instead of the now)
Such as high speed trains , real boost to economy which will never happen without the gov
Better paid teachers ,(pay more,get more )so we can have a future with tax payers
Schools in general (and parents that give a shit )that help students learn
before they get to college
My education was bascially subsisdized by underpaid women of the 50's and 60's
they are busy with good paying jobs now
play comes after work for me (at least it did ) 
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boardrider
Since 05 Apr 2006
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Ventura, CA
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| Sun May 31, 09 8:47 am |
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This truely does suck -  Please petition @ Surfrider Foundation.
CA is in true fiscal crisis. There is talk of bankruptsy. Thousands of teachers fired in an already overcrowded schools. Government department closures and major slow downs (this really sucks too). People are not happy with the Govenator here. It is obviously not a matter of trimming the fat ....
BTW - Leo Carillo is on the chopping block
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jcohenx
Since 28 Aug 2007
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| Sun May 31, 09 9:06 am closures |
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Cali certainly has issues. However, I was under the impression that most of the beach parks would remain open because they generate good revenue. Even if the "park" was closed I believe the beach would still be accessible. Maybe I got it wrong.
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boardrider
Since 05 Apr 2006
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| Sun May 31, 09 9:59 am Re: closures |
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| jcohenx wrote: | Cali certainly has issues. However, I was under the impression that most of the beach parks would remain open because they generate good revenue. Even if the "park" was closed I believe the beach would still be accessible. Maybe I got it wrong.
jc |
Sure - you still could access the beach - but convenience, safety, etc would be compromised.
Take Leo as an example - This very popular windsport & surfing park was mentioned as a potential closure on Surfriders website. It has a nice campground, lifeguard stations, outside showers, etc. that would be closed.
Upside ( or potential downside ) is that the lifeguards won't bother kiters about being in the swim & surf areas  
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carolb
Since 04 Nov 2006
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Stevenson, WA in the summer, SPI in the winter
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| Sun May 31, 09 12:54 pm ca kiting |
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| Signed because I want to spend more time kiting the coast on our way to and from SPI! gotta love waves!
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Bonetti
Since 29 Apr 2007
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Tommy
Since 12 Apr 2009
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Gorbachev sings tractors: Turnip! Buttocks!
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Signed...
And forgive me for bringing this back off-topic, but SalmonSlayer, I'm not sure I follow your line of reasoning. I didn't see anything in Evan's political aside that wasn't true, let alone anything that was 100% backwards. Naturally, any government agency or program is subject to criticism with regard to how it spends its funding, as it should be. But I didn't read anything in Evan's statement about throwing more money at the problem, as you suggest; only that we need accept that a sliver of our paychecks will make its way into the public sphere, in this case parks management. This is how public bureaucracies are run, and working under the assumption that we all drive on public streets and call the fire department when our houses catch fire (and of course, enjoy launching our kites at state parks), I think it's safe to say that there's nothing at all controversial about this notion.
If your argument is for more transparency and citizen oversight where the state's fiscal process is concerned, that makes perfect sense. I'm just not sure I'm getting your heroin addiction metaphor...
GO WINGS!!!
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SalmonSlayer
Since 27 Nov 2005
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| Sun May 31, 09 6:11 pm |
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| Tommy wrote: | Signed...
... I'm not sure I follow your line of reasoning. I didn't see anything in Evan's political aside that wasn't true, let alone anything that was 100% backwards. |
The EvanOR quote in my post was disowned and edited out of the original post by EvanOR as you will see in his second post.
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jackZ
Since 13 Apr 2008
355 Posts
Devon Alberta ca.
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| Mon Jun 01, 09 7:27 am park closures |
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Here in Canada (Alberta )
We used to have beautiful Campgrounds which were maintained by a branch of the provincial government .
Like all else nothing stays the same and they were privatized . Now what used to be an enjoyable experience for families has turned into a for profit business and taken away from the true camping experience .
The campgrounds are becoming run down as the money goes to who knows what now.
You have to pay for firewood , to launch a boat etc.
This is all due to greed .
Public lands and special areas need to be properly maintained as it benefits in so many ways .
I'm sorry to hear that you may lose these parks . Without proper maintenance these areas will surely suffer .
What's next ,a rich person or company will buy the area and only the wealthy will be allowed ?
I truly hope your petitions will prevent this and keep your parks as they are .
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wylieflyote
Since 30 Jun 2006
1648 Posts
Puget Sound & Wa. Coast
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| Mon Jun 01, 09 7:48 am Re: Urgent Access Issues in Cali, please take action here |
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| SalmonSlayer wrote: |
Any person with half an ounce of fiscal commonsense and no political pressures or aspirations could look at any government agency or program and find ways to save money. |
And where do you get your information? This might of course be true over at DSHS, but here in WSDOT I must strongy disagree.
Come on out some night and run a jackhammer with 70mph semi-truck w/ trailer speeding past 3-4' from your head. Then come home and listen King 5 "in the know" blab on about how much traffic was screwed by your needed repairs. When your managers only option is to do the work between 11PM and 4AM and still the phone rings off the wall with time wasting public inquiries about "Why did this work have to happen at this hour? Didn't you know I had to go to my daughter's wedding?"
And then the state lays off public employees and privatizes. The guy that took your jackhammer makes twice your pay, they cause twice the traffic back-ups, and the job needs to be re-done after they've left town. Salmon, your answer is too one-sided, simplistic.
Everybody wants everything, they want it now, with no pay, and no pain and no waiting.
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jackZ
Since 13 Apr 2008
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Devon Alberta ca.
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| Mon Jun 01, 09 8:04 am park closures |
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Here in Canada (Alberta )
We used to have beautiful Campgrounds which were maintained by a branch of the provincial government .
Like all else nothing stays the same and they were privatized . Now what used to be an enjoyable experience for families has turned into a for profit business and taken away from the true camping experience .
The campgrounds are becoming run down as the money goes to who knows what now.
You have to pay for firewood , to launch a boat etc.
This is all due to greed .
Public lands and special areas need to be properly maintained as it benefits in so many ways .
I'm sorry to hear that you may lose these parks . Without proper maintenance these areas will surely suffer .
What's next ,a rich person or company will buy the area and only the wealthy will be allowed ?
I truly hope your petitions will prevent this and keep your parks as they are .
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SalmonSlayer
Since 27 Nov 2005
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| Mon Jun 01, 09 9:02 am Re: Urgent Access Issues in Cali, please take action here |
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| wylieflyote wrote: | | SalmonSlayer wrote: |
Any person with half an ounce of fiscal commonsense and no political pressures or aspirations could look at any government agency or program and find ways to save money. |
And where do you get your information? This might of course be true over at DSHS, but here in WSDOT I must strongy disagree.
Come on out some night and run a jackhammer with 70mph semi-truck w/ trailer speeding past 3-4' from your head. |
Kip,
I have a lot of sympathy for the guy with the jackhammer, but I do wonder about the four other guys watching him work.
My position is simplistic as stated. I would be glad to discuss a more nuanced version over a few beers which I am sure we will do soon.
Petition signed. I hope it helps throw some ice cold water on the CA governments temper tantrum.
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wylieflyote
Since 30 Jun 2006
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Puget Sound & Wa. Coast
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| Mon Jun 01, 09 10:14 am Re: Urgent Access Issues in Cali, please take action he |
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| SalmonSlayer wrote: |
Kip,
I have a lot of sympathy for the guy with the jackhammer, but I do wonder about the four other guys watching him work.
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Paul, I hope that was a joke. I will now tell you a "nuanced" version of your public works observation:
In about 1984 I was the ground person on a high steel repair on the Narrows Bridge. After the guys went over the side and down onto the stagging to work it was my responsibility to lower tools, turn on/off the welder, tend to their rigging, etc. But most of my day was spent staring at them though a crack in the steel waiting for their next request. They can't access this stuff from 110' below me.
At the main office, The phone rang off the wall with "concerned citizens" like yourself who saw so much waste in government because this idiot is standing out at mid-span staring at the ground.
What you think you're observing out on the road with 4 guys watching one work is usually not what's going.
Bring on the beer. 
Petition signed
Kip
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