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pdxmonkeyboy

Since 16 May 2006
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PostFri Dec 19, 08 12:36 pm     Reply with quote

The last time I just haggled them down from $50. I got stopped for "running a stop sign" I just said "how much". I said I got $20 and if that's not enough just give me the ticket.

$20 later I was on my way...

Only to get handcuffed on the side of the road for drug possession later the same day...which took $200 to get out of.....

Only to get robbed at gun and knife point on the beach and watch my GF almost raped later the same night... but I already told that story.

good times can be had in Baja if you really try Confused

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kitezilla

Since 22 Jun 2006
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PostFri Dec 19, 08 12:41 pm     Reply with quote

Yeah, get a money belt for the real stuff. Make the "dummy" wallet look real with some old non-activated credit cards, library card, an old key, but only carry a few one dollar bills, a five dollar bill, and 20 or 30 Pesos, along with a travelers check for $50. Keep a record of the number of the travelers check and the old credit cards. I always carried an old expired drivers license, but laminating a copy sounds good.

In there with the bills, I always carried a little brochure that the Mexico tourism bureau put out, and I had it opened to the page that showed a drawing of a policeman holding out his hand and the tourist's hand full of money. There was a big red circle around the 2 hands, and a slash across the circle. When I opened my wallet in the cop's face, the picture (advising the traveler that bribes were illegal...which they are) in the brochure... and this was the first thing he would see, as I held it there for a few seconds and pretend-fumbled with the wallet.

This kind of an approach works to discourage the cop from harassing you when you both know that you did nothing wrong...but if you did break the law and the cop gets serious, then, you will have to move to Plan B, and start to negotiate, or try to call their bluff and follow them down to "El Centro". Try to keep smiling and chalk it up to a "cross-cultural" experience.

If you go to the station, DON'T accuse the cop of asking for money on the road. In Mexico, bribes are illegal and you will be defaming a law officer, by accusing him of this in front of a magistrate or police department personnel...then you will be in trouble, since the officer will deny your accusation. Also, the fine for your offense (like running the stop sign, which is hidden behind a bush) will probably be lower than the fine the cop's clip-board paper shows. The fine shown to you on the clip-board will be brought to you by the second cop (the one who speaks English), after the first cop comes to your car, and speaks only Spanish. The first cop's job is to worry you and get the idea across that you are really in trouble. He is also checking you out, to see if you speak Spanish or are experienced in this sort of thing. If you act relaxed, and not in a hurry, and friendly, and willing to go downtown to pay your fine, the cop will often back off and send you on your way. The cops don't want to waste time taking you down to the station, for a minor charge. They want to stay at their spot on the highway, collecting easy money.

Don't harden your heart too much to these guys. Remember that most of them are good hearted under-paid people, just trying to collect enough money to feed their families. They have to buy their own bullets and uniforms, as I understand it. Also, they will be out of a job, as soon as the head of the rival family in that town, gets re-elected...and the cop jobs go to the new relatives.

It's just too bad that all the retired people and Yuppie windsurfer/ surfers got intimidated by the cops in the '80s, and started to pay the asked for amounts. The accepted fee was $5 for many years, and then, the new road came in...and the rest is history.

Anyway, remember..."the worst trips make the best stories".

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poncex

Since 28 Nov 2007
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PostFri Dec 19, 08 1:29 pm     Reply with quote

kitezilla wrote:
Yeah, get a money belt for the real stuff. Make the "dummy" wallet look real with some old non-activated credit cards, library card, an old key, but only carry a few one dollar bills, a five dollar bill, and 20 or 30 Pesos, along with a travelers check for $50. Keep a record of the number of the travelers check and the old credit cards. I always carried an old expired drivers license, but laminating a copy sounds good.

In there with the bills, I always carried a little brochure that the Mexico tourism bureau put out, and I had it opened to the page that showed a drawing of a policeman holding out his hand and the tourist's hand full of money. There was a big red circle around the 2 hands, and a slash across the circle. When I opened my wallet in the cop's face, the picture (advising the traveler that bribes were illegal...which they are) in the brochure... and this was the first thing he would see, as I held it there for a few seconds and pretend-fumbled with the wallet.

This kind of an approach works to discourage the cop from harassing you when you both know that you did nothing wrong...but if you did break the law and the cop gets serious, then, you will have to move to Plan B, and start to negotiate, or try to call their bluff and follow them down to "El Centro". Try to keep smiling and chalk it up to a "cross-cultural" experience.

If you go to the station, DON'T accuse the cop of asking for money on the road. In Mexico, bribes are illegal and you will be defaming a law officer, by accusing him of this in front of a magistrate or police department personnel...then you will be in trouble, since the officer will deny your accusation. Also, the fine for your offense (like running the stop sign, which is hidden behind a bush) will probably be lower than the fine the cop's clip-board paper shows. The fine shown to you on the clip-board will be brought to you by the second cop (the one who speaks English), after the first cop comes to your car, and speaks only Spanish. The first cop's job is to worry you and get the idea across that you are really in trouble. He is also checking you out, to see if you speak Spanish or are experienced in this sort of thing. If you act relaxed, and not in a hurry, and friendly, and willing to go downtown to pay your fine, the cop will often back off and send you on your way. The cops don't want to waste time taking you down to the station, for a minor charge. They want to stay at their spot on the highway, collecting easy money.

Don't harden your heart too much to these guys. Remember that most of them are good hearted under-paid people, just trying to collect enough money to feed their families. They have to buy their own bullets and uniforms, as I understand it. Also, they will be out of a job, as soon as the head of the rival family in that town, gets re-elected...and the cop jobs go to the new relatives.

It's just too bad that all the retired people and Yuppie windsurfer/ surfers got intimidated by the cops in the '80s, and started to pay the asked for amounts. The accepted fee was $5 for many years, and then, the new road came in...and the rest is history.

Anyway, remember..."the worst trips make the best stories".

You couldnīt be more spot on kitezilla, Its all about staying calm and being friendly, ask for the ticket and they will let you go, easy money on the highway that what they are after like you said, and also you donīt have to go to the station you have 30 days to mail in a payment as a foreign citizen.
Cops canīt seize any of you documents its completely illegal so donīt let them fool you, and they also canīt compound your car , unless you are really drunk, your car has been reported stolen , if your parked in an illegal spot and you are not present, if you dont have your drivers license and finally if you were involved in an accident.
So remember, they will try to escalate things and make it seem all fucked up , just stay cool and wait for they to back off.
Hereīs a copy of the Reglamento de Transito de Tijuana and its pretty much the same in all 31 states. http://www.ordenjuridico.gob.mx/Estatal/BAJA%20CALIFORNIA/Municipios/Tijuana/TijuanaReg17.pdf
Keep one it the glove box it might come handy.

heres an abstract :
"VII.- Queda estrictamente prohibido a los agentes, el retener licencias de manejar, tarjetas de circulación o cualquier otro documento, en aquellos casos en que los ciudadanos cometan exclusivamente infracciones o faltas al presente ordenamiento."

BTW if you pay your tickets during the first week you get 50% off of the already really cheap fines.

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blowhard

Since 26 Dec 2005
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PostFri Dec 19, 08 5:30 pm     Reply with quote

poncex wrote:
after many years of being assaulted by federales in the highway and transitos inside the cities and probably thousand of pesos in mordidas, I learned that the best thing to do is ask for the ticket again and again, I never try to bribe them anymore I just ask for the reason I am been stopped and my respective ticket and you will confuse them and they wont know what to do and let you go without a ticket or probably a fake one and your wallet unharmed. And If I really committed an infraction like speeding or something else I rather have the ticket issued than bribe them in order to stop the vicious circle.
No matter how many times they tell me my car is going to get towed and my license seized, I just keep asking for my fine and they might go and check something inside their patrol car over and over some even might pretend to call "el jefe" over the radio, but after a while they always end saying to me "maneje con precaucion"
after all things are changing for better IMHO, yes, thereīs still a lot of corruption today but at another level not like many years ago, just be polite, show no fear but donīt be rude and please avoid the clueless gringo face and DO NOT hand a 50 dollar bill as soon they approach your window, we have to change that paradigm for the best of all of us and Mexico.


I also recommend this procedure
try to keep it on the up and up
don't break the laws,

I tried to convince a border guard in Matmoros to let us through with a boat trailer without a licence plate after a hour or more he finally relented and let us take it
towards the end I offered to buy him lunch (bribe) he was clearly offended
and I felt like a real piece of work. Embarassed

But the guy who we met with a lot of MX.expierence said " you will be happy to pay all the money you have to get a lock for your cell"
we were discussing the 12 guage flare gun in our dinghy

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