lameness

Kraemer · Since 24 Apr 2006 1736 Posts Sky Pilot Unicorn Captain

itunes limits you to 5 uses of the track. It won't import directly into an edit system either.
After 5 registrations-- the song you bought is expired!
At first I thought--I bought it from itunes-- I should be able to use it where I want.
I might as well gotten it from Limewire!... those mp4 teabagging apple bastards!

Intrepidquest · Since 09 May 2008 31 Posts HoodRiver

I think ppl in general are just greedy.

NO! You can't use this song because I own it and I'm not getting any money out of it!

LAME!

No you didn't ask first; That is disrespectful.

What is this about? Prestige based on owning art? Come on! Stop being selfish and moneygrubin. Life is about enjoying and sharing enjoyment. That is the very point of art.

For those of you who really disagree. You are too narrow minded to see that no one really owns anything. You probaly won't be convice of my point of view and that is all right. Because if you did posses my point of view I would have to charge you Laughing

Inept_Fun · Since 14 Apr 2005 1417 Posts Hood River XTreme Poster

I just gotta say this to all you sore asses out there who are calling this stealing and getting all bent out of shape about it.

Its not like you were making the music, and hes not making any money off of it, so why do you even care???
Its not like people who make music are poor...
Also what is the artist losing by having someone put their music in a video on youtube??
If anything they gain exposure, maybe someone who watches the video will go buy their music.

Moto · Since 03 Sep 2006 2698 Posts Still a gojo pimp! Moto Mouth

Hein · Since 08 Mar 2005 1314 Posts Possessed

You guys should start a kiter commune Very Happy

Where you can share everything Laughing

All will be bliss Rolling Eyes

for a week or two Crying or Very sad

boardrider · Since 05 Apr 2006 1034 Posts Ventura, CA XTreme Poster

There are some very cool musicians out there, that make music b/c they love it.

Example: WILCO - heard JT say in an interview that once he releases a song, he feels it belongs to everyone. Pretty f-in cool guy ! Twisted Evil

There are some pretty uncool musicians out there that see music and their fans as a ca$h cow that they will milk till the teets are raw and bloodied. They are the ones that will sue your a$$.

Support the cool musicians - their music is usually better anyway Cool

PS

Portland is very fortunate to have SO MANY great bands in town - go check 'em out. Twisted Evil

Hein · Since 08 Mar 2005 1314 Posts Possessed

Some musicians choose to make their music for the public domain. -Sweet
Others choose to retain ownership and make money off it. -Fine

The fact is that under current copyright laws,
it is THEIR choice
NOT YOURS

If you don't like it,
vote to have the LAW changed.
Until then, respect it.

The same laws apply to software, BTW.

boardrider · Since 05 Apr 2006 1034 Posts Ventura, CA XTreme Poster

hahahah

- I think we all get your point Hein, and I personally agree with you in most respects.

Support the cool musicians. The overproduced, overmarketed bands are usually only good for a song or two anyway Wink

OH, and as long as we are bitching, how 'bout TICKETMASTER - now THOSE guys are true teabaggers Evil or Very Mad

Intrepidquest · Since 09 May 2008 31 Posts HoodRiver

Hein · Since 08 Mar 2005 1314 Posts Possessed

I like to listen to music and appreciate all musicians who create it.

Sorry to get on my high horse about this subject. When I struck out on my own as a consultant and design engineer, I invested over 30K in top of the line CAD software. It was not long before I found myself competing with folks who had pirated copies of the same tools. Over the years I've done a bunch of product development for individuals seeking to make their idea into money. It's a form of the American dream. I've seen the hard work and passion that these people have put into their creative idea and the time and money they have spent developing it into a potentially viable product.

The experience has allowed me to gain great respect for the creative work of another person and the value it has to them.

tautologies · Since 24 Aug 2006 602 Posts Oahu Addicted

tonyb · Sun Dec 07, 08 6:45 am

I'm with Hein on this one. Sorry to steer off of music and on to software but the subject is very similar. Someone spent time working to create it and deserves to be compensated. Our company uses scheduling software that costs $5,000 a copy plus $1,800 a year in license fees - for each person that has it on their computer. And it's frustrating to compete with firms that have pirated that software when we've got over $50,000 invested. I'm sure 95% of people play by the rules but the ones that don't are just plain thieves.

Just because music is fun and entertaining for us or we view it as "art" doesn't mean there wasn't work behind it to make it happen or that it should be free. If you want it free, make it yourself. Respect the artists decision. If he gives it away fine (we give away some of our stuff), but if he wants to be paid for and control his main body of work, respect it.

Tony

boardrider · Since 05 Apr 2006 1034 Posts Ventura, CA XTreme Poster

I think the 'lameness' w/r/t music ditribution is often brought about by the middle men. The leeches that don't actually produce anything, but want to profit off the work of the musicians.

I don't think that all musicians care that thier work is used by others, with or without asking - They may even want others to share it. It may be the middle men that wants the strict copy right control so they can control the cash flow into thier own pockets. Yes, some of these middle men have a legit interest in the music as well and should be payed. But - how about the artist who wants to spread his music around and have it heard - but the middle men prevent this via copy right law ? Artist has lost control of thier work in this scenario as well - and I would call that lame.

Think of CURT KOBAIN Sad

Alot of cool bands will release free, 'live' versions of songs, and ask you to pay for the recorded stuff Cool

. I think it was RADIOHEAD that provided one of thier latest albums for online purchase, asking their fans to pay what they thought it was worth. This is a fairly intellegent stratagy. One song on iTunes @ .99 - One ticket to your favorite band @ 50.00$ + .

Totally agree with the copy right infringement stuff you guys are talking about, esp w/r/t software. I'm not sure if it is so cut and dry with music. Confused

I'm not in the music biz tho, so I really don't know Confused

. It was fun discussing it w/ you guys anyway Very Happy

Inept_Fun · Since 14 Apr 2005 1417 Posts Hood River XTreme Poster

kyle.vh · Since 11 Jul 2007 713 Posts city of angels Addicted

i think that there's going to be a transition for software and other media like music.
people need to shift their thinking on how to make $$ in the internet age. It can be fruitful.
musicians need to work with websites who will pay them to post their music, based on ad revenue. so music will be free for the end user, but musicians and the site owners can make money through ad sales. that will require regulation, too...
open-source software is showing it can be highly profitable for folks who customize and provide add-on value. in this way, software is largely free, but developers still make money.
thats my 2 cents.

registered · Since 12 Jul 2005 1319 Posts tsunami Sandbagger

If your making something useful or not ....it may have value to be determined by ??

Contact the creator and negotiate the compensation .....it may be free .

life is not free as an adult and most things don't magically appear from thin air.

there are alternatives to most obstacles be creative and move on.

work smarter not harder and stop being such frinking whinners.

oh and don't land on pole dancers and think its a good thing.

or not Twisted Evil

DROCK999 · Since 31 May 2007 852 Posts Left Coast Opinionated

My bigger question here is: Stringer did you give credits to the music in your video?
But it's for the specific reason that iTunes puts limits on their songs that I avoid buying music on iTunes and is saved for a last resort.