two line trainers(part two!) Don't take it from ME...

Kite Me · Since 04 Aug 2008 39 Posts portland I'm very handsome

I , being new to this forum and kiteboarding(on water that is)came on here a few days ago and relayed my experiences with a 4 meter /4 line land kite(foil) and how it seemed logical to me that, that being a more powerful and challenging kite, was a more realistic trainer than the two line trainers most often used. Well, a few people got their feelings hurt and accused me of being a "U-tube Pro" and worse. Yes I have found youtube vids very helpful and inspiring(and you have a problem with that!??) the only courteous comment(a pm)I got was from terremoto.

But I learned what I know, and was speaking about, FLYING my OWN kite extensively. The two liners are fun, zippy little jets and I may pick one up for that aspect of kite fun. They are cool. But I still stand by what I said that, IMO, the larger more powerful kites are a better choice and reflection of what big/powerful kites are about.

And what do you know!...apparently 'ELLI'(long time poster on bayareakiteboarding forum) feels the SAME WAY!!!

This is what he said...in case any of you who felt the need to jump on me, would as well like to jump on Him/her???? Comment as follows:

from Elli to a questioner regarding training kites:

(open quote:) If you want to practice controlling a powerful kite, which I think is a very good idea, get a land kite. If you know how to deal with a powerful kite on land, you will know how to control the power in the water.

Kite skills are a big issue for beginners. The main reason IMO is that they use 1-2 meter trainer kites, and have no idea what is a real powerful kite. Then they go into the water and use a real kite, and don't know what to do with it.

Four lines is not that critical, but a four line kite will teach you the kite much more than a two liner. In four lines you have many options, PKD Buster is great, Ozone and Flexifoil make a bunch of nice kites, and HQ Beamer is a good budget option as well. All those will pull more than their "trainer kite" equivalents, size per size. Handles/Bar not that critical, switching from handles to a bar is almost automatic."(close quote).

I was called a "dipsh*t"(pdxmonkeyboy in a pm to me) etc...when I said practically the same thing. I'm done with it...just had to post this comment...from a seasoned kiteboarder. ONE OF YOUR OWN!!!

'So much for' me being(NOT) 'the stupid new guy'.

Kiteboarding is growing. Might be nice to BE nice to people who show interest in joining in the conversation. I am COURTEOUS to my own customers(I mfg and teach use of the equipment I build...for 14 years now) whether they are new/ seasoned/ smart or not so. I always remember that regardless of my skills(or theirs), I do not 'own' my trade or industry. People CAN go elsewhere if I do not give them a break and treat them with respect. I met very friendly kiters today at the spit. But my first experience(being here on this forum)was not so. I'm just saying. When YOU really do 'own' the sky and water, THEN you can act like it.

Kataku2k3 · Since 14 Aug 2005 3754 Posts PDX-LA Videographer

Who's picture is that?

stringer · Since 31 Jul 2007 694 Posts Chucktown Flying Tomato

Now that I am thoroughly convinced (thanks for the quote, that changes everything), the only question left is should I buy an HQ Beamer or an Ozone.
Or maybe a Peter Lynn?

Also, which brand of board leash should I buy?

Toby

Spike · Since 13 May 2007 1414 Posts Alameda Spelling Expert

Nak · Sun Aug 10, 08 9:34 am

Inept_Fun · Since 14 Apr 2005 1417 Posts Hood River XTreme Poster

If you have never flown a kite before, and you go to learn on a 4m 4 line trainer, you will get worked and it will not be a learning experience. A 2m creates a manageable pull for someone who has never flown a kite before. And allows the instructor to easily demonstrate how the kite pulls anywhere in the wind window.

Are you a certified instructor? Can you even kiteboard? Who cares if some random dude on some other forum actually agrees with you. Fact is you are prolly both a little slower than most.

Have fun teaching someone with a 4m foil, just make sure your not at the sandbar when you choose to do so, there are enough kooks down there already and we dont need someone like you down there to cause more issues.

bulae99 · Since 12 Jul 2006 1692 Posts XTreme Poster

you might as well move to Iraq and wear a target!

Most of the locals on this forum are at home right now watching USA AM Raw thinking about whether or not they should post a "punchy" e-ply to your rant.

Welcome to my world dude!!!!

b99

**Never use a leash! Never post FUD. Never seek approval from NWkite.com.
never never never fly a foil!!!

stringer · Since 31 Jul 2007 694 Posts Chucktown Flying Tomato

marina c · Sun Aug 10, 08 12:24 pm

hey kite me,
After owning a kite school for three years and managing 18 instructors and teaching hundreds of students, I can say that trainer kites definitely have their place in the learning curve. There is no general rule of thumb when teaching other than the subjects, theory, etc. Each students learns differently and brings different skills their learning curve. Some people instantly get the trainer, so they maybe spent 5-10 minutes on it as a lesson aid for the wind wind/where to launch/land your kite, how to sine your kite, etc. Others need to spend a few hours, even days with a trainer to build up the confidence, hand/eye coordination needed to move up to a bigger kite for body dragging and water time.

brass · Since 15 Jul 2006 152 Posts Stoked

How long before this one gets locked?

Mark · Sun Aug 10, 08 7:36 pm **Come to NWkite for the love.**

Totally WRONG... Come to NWkite for the love. It is a very friendly forum. I have made some (hopefully) life long friends here. The key is NOT to come into the forum and preach a bunch of stuff you know little about. Instead come in offer good ideas or ask for advice. A lot of people here have been kiteboarding since the very very early days. Trust me they know more than you.....

Keep up the good work Forum members. Thumb's Up

another guest · Since 13 Jul 2005 13 Posts New Member

you are very wrong on this one.... trust me, you will not understand until you have logged more years in kiteboarding, but you are wrong! Don't get caught in the hype, but you are WRONG! Forget about about two line vs. four line, start thinking about credibility. You have some, but not enough to make bold statements like you are doing here.

If....... and thats a big IF, a person has access to miles of knee deep water, then yes, a SMALL four line inflateable is more desireable than a two line trainer. If the preceeding statements are true, then yes, you are correct.

For the majority of the people reading this forum you are NOT correct. You are WRONG!

Do you have access to miles of knee deep water? No you don't. If you lived in a magicall place, you would understand that you are truely blessed and not be preaching to the people on this forum.

Trust me, this is not about foils vs. four line inflateables, but about perspective, and understanding the whole picture. You have not enough experience to speak on the whole picture.

I have told you that you are WRONG, but I understand that you may in fact be a very talented kiter, yet still WRONG.

I will again state that you are wrong. Forget about kites, think about methods, protocols, and respecting those that came before you.

If you respond with any argument regarding kites, or what others have said, then you will be banished to the lair of gapers, posers, and fucktards that have stunk up the path before you.

Know the code and harden the f@@#k up.

I will not respond to any bullshit that you post after this so I will spell the crux of this post out in no uncertain terms........

What you are saying has merit, but you must first endear yourself to your audience, not alienate them.

Know that this is not some meanigless forum, but a place that some hold in higher regard than any church!!

bulae99 · Since 12 Jul 2006 1692 Posts XTreme Poster

People who come here to post their opinions should be shown some level of respect. It is unfortunate and embarrassssing to see a guy like this shot at by some guys typing at home.

Let's create an environment that is conducive to learning by being respectful of those who have the balls to state their opinion in public. It's fun to laugh at funny shit but to make somebody actually feel bad is not a good thing.

Let's not make fun of a person at their expense!! I'm embarrassed at some of the shit said on this forum and I guarantee I'm not alone.

It's an opinion, maybe not yours, but an opinion.

As for what should and shouldn't be said on the forum...

What some of you are saying is that you have to be an certified instructor with experience to state your opinion, or you have to be a local and have respect of other school instructors to state your opinion?????

Polarity is not a healthy thing when mixed with abusive posts and pm's from folks hiding behind the computer. It's just bullshit to be so f@#$% mean to a guy who has an opinion.

I recently read, " "We were sorting ourselves out by choosing to live with people that we agree with," Clinton said "

Attacking different opinions for the sake of a good laugh is funny but the impact on the communication process is stifling.

blowhard · Since 26 Dec 2005 2027 Posts Windward

bulae99 · Since 12 Jul 2006 1692 Posts XTreme Poster

What your saying is that it's to be expected when posting an opinion that the people with "cred" can absolve themselves of all manner of humane interaction because they are part of a team?

Take my ass off that roster!!! I want no part of it.

Clarify which polarity you speak of....

Are you talking about the polarity that allows one to be rude those who lack "cred."?

blowhard · Since 26 Dec 2005 2027 Posts Windward

It's just your opinion of what's humane interaction
most think it's tounge in cheek funny

Anyone who puts thier opinion above others
is creating polarity and the wrath of others
just keep it to yourself
that is how wars get started
obviously

some are rude because of the caustic projection of others
OPINIONS
Showing goodwill is no assured connection to the higher ground.

Having a little thicker skin might be a tool to add to your quiver

pkh · Since 27 Feb 2005 6549 Posts Couve / Hood Honored Founder

Just for the record, so everybody knows why we are picking on Kite Me... he already identified himself (in another thread) as a newbie who has been leaning everything he can by "watching YouTube videos" ... and who has only tried kiting a few times.

He got a 5m Fuel from the classifieds and has been learning on it (I assume without any instruction because that's what YouTube is for.) Seems very similar to a scene we saw last night at the sandbar where somebody was learning on larger Fuel who kept continually crashing it into the sand and going for "sand drags" himself.

Maybe he read some of Kite Me's tips online and decided a go at it.