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Hein
Since 08 Mar 2005
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Possessed
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[quote="HoodRat"]are you drunk or stupid?
glue sniffer 
hey, Hoodrat, you'll like this for your sig:
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
4330 Posts
Hood River
Hick
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| Tue Jun 23, 09 9:54 am |
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Hein brings up a good point about the lines, if they're rolled up and secured behind the leading edge then there really is little issue, especially if they were already attached. It would be ill advised to run lines out and attach them to a kite... Run them out, roll them up into a turbo launcher.
If this is something that would help make life easier for everyone that uses the Event Site, then it's certainly something the CGKA can push for. We're meeting on August 1st with the Water Front Recreation Committee to determine what needs to be changed, if any.
Here is what you need to tell people that are breaking the rules:
"The Windsurfer community doesn't want us there and are waiting for us to mess up. Plain and simple. If your are the person that messes up the event site access you will be banned from the Sandbar too." |
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Gman
Since 11 Feb 2006
4911 Posts
Portland
Unstrapped
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| Tue Jun 23, 09 10:29 am |
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| Forrest wrote: | Hein brings up a good point about the lines, if they're rolled up and secured behind the leading edge then there really is little issue, especially if they were already attached. It would be ill advised to run lines out and attach them to a kite... Run them out, roll them up into a turbo launcher.
If this is something that would help make life easier for everyone that uses the Event Site, then it's certainly something the CGKA can push for. We're meeting on August 1st with the Water Front Recreation Committee to determine what needs to be changed, if any.
Here is what you need to tell people that are breaking the rules:
"The Windsurfer community doesn't want us there and are waiting for us to mess up. Plain and simple. If your are the person that messes up the event site access you will be banned from the Sandbar too." |
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shred_da_gorge
Since 12 Nov 2008
1365 Posts
Da Hood & Da Wood
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| Tue Jun 23, 09 10:32 am |
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OK kids - play nicely! Hein, you're entitled to express your opinions but punching cute and cuddly koala bears crosses the line in the grass - I'm calling the WWF immediately.
| Forrest wrote: | Here is what you need to tell people that are breaking the rules:
"The Windsurfer community doesn't want us there and are waiting for us to mess up. Plain and simple. If your are the person that messes up the event site access you will be banned from the Sandbar too." |
Forrest, buddy, I see your point and don't have the experiences you've had via CGKA, but please don't make it an "us -vs- them" thing. I won't disagree with your point entirely, but introducing antagonism may lead to other issues on the water. Remember, some of us are bisportsual!
Can't we all just get along?  |
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
4330 Posts
Hood River
Hick
CGKA Member
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| Tue Jun 23, 09 11:05 am |
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Yea, I just didn't know how else to word it. Sugar coating sure does taste good while the truth tastes bitter.  I wish it wasn't this way. While my comment is very negative, Access is what will set everyone free and release the tension, for both sports. |
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Mark
Since 20 Jun 2005
3678 Posts
I need my fix because I'm a
Naishaholic
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| Tue Jun 23, 09 11:14 am |
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The rules are quite simple. NO lines attached. Period. If you want to lay out your lines or launch and land then go back to the sand spit. The Event Site is for pumping and drying only. I know that seems harsh but it was the Port agreed to. Without lines attached the kite is no more dangerous than a beach ball.
I know the spot is small, but its more than we had last year. If we play by the rules, we can and will get more access.
Thanks all for the self policing. I realize it sucks to have to explain to folks especially when the site is clearly marked. If they give you flack... send them back over to the spit.
Thanks again for everyone's help in this matter.
Also, please do a head count of people using the eventsite and PM me. The more people that help record our use, the easier it will be to get more space.
Thanks
Mark
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Diggy
Since 25 Nov 2006
342 Posts
Gorge to Coast
Obsessed
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| Tue Jun 23, 09 11:31 am |
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I've come to the conclusion that Hein drinks in the morning so he can sober up by the time the wind arrives. Careful, he can be a mean bastard when drunk - just look what he did to that poor Koala who crossed his path!
Agreed there are a handful of Windsurfers whom don't want kiteboarders on "their" lawn, but look at the numbers. The kite snatch patch always looks full while the rest of the event site is nearly empty except on a few occasions.
I was bummed about the cancellation / delay of the Demo day but as a CGKA member am fine with Demo day. Pay your dues which are so minimal compared to your gear and lessons!
Recently I was kiting in Boracay and it is a requirement that you join the Boracay WindSports Association to kite there, no problem and with membership I recieved a cool t-shirt.
Perhaps someday there will be so few windsurfers remaining we will have to rename the CGKA the Columbia Gorge WindSports Association to protect access for them 
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Sella
Since 21 Apr 2007
1794 Posts
Doin' The Dalles
FLY'IN HIGH PIE GUY
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| Tue Jun 23, 09 11:58 am |
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| Bettyboarder wrote: | | Quote: | | Wuldn't hurt too ifn the CGKA was less focused on sellin geer (ie demo day) and more fucused on acces and develuping a god systim (similiar to stevensburg) for the evnt siite. |
Hein stop talking bad about the CGKA...we are constantly working on a ton access issues...demo day and blowout are side projects that a few board members run we typically spend very little of our meetings talking about events.......why dont you come to a meeting and see what we are working on or better yet if you have ideas why don’t you come and help us.
Thanks CT....sucks telling people to follow the rules but sounds like you did the right thing....keep in mind they are watching us and will be re-evaluating the Event Site in Aug. |
Yep....Stevensburg is such a good system and the CGKA sells a shitload of kites from Demo Days. WTF???? Hein, easy on the cocktails..it makes you all sass and sage amigo.
More signs and self-policing suck but it needs to happen because non-locals just don't realize all the facts that will 'eff the locals long-term.
I'm just going to say it again.....the Event Site grass is nice but the swim of shame is a cluster. Last weekend, when the water was down, tons of kiters self-launched and landed from the Sandbar Parking lot rigging area with an acre of sweet sand to patiently rig your lines so I really don't understand WHY you kooks think the Event Site is that legit???? "I don't want to get a little bit of sand in my kite." ???
News flash posers....when you self-land on sand.....your kite is already dry and sand doesn't stick! Enjoy the Snatch Patch and stop your bitching when a better solution is already available but you're too stupid to realize it. |
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shred_da_gorge
Since 12 Nov 2008
1365 Posts
Da Hood & Da Wood
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| Tue Jun 23, 09 5:35 pm |
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| Forrest wrote: | | Access is what will set everyone free and release the tension, for both sports. |
Agreed, I've been of this mindset long before I got into kiting, watching most of its growth in just the past few years. No worries on your comment; it just pushed my "bikes -vs- cars" button that shows up on the Boregonian's pages time to time. As a cyclist I love getting run off the road by people who think I don't drive.
At least now we have windsurfers on the Port and City Council! Was a time these groups were made of people opposed to most recreational access for watersports, and change in general. In the historical perspective windsurfers may be closer to being allies than you might think. In the future narrative it may be beneficial to make them allies. Wise man say: keep your friends close and enemies closer.
On a recent thread on this topic I saw someone say we should disband the Port. I've never heard that before! If you figure out a way let me know...  |
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shred_da_gorge
Since 12 Nov 2008
1365 Posts
Da Hood & Da Wood
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| Tue Jun 23, 09 6:05 pm |
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| Quote: | | I really don't understand WHY you kooks think the Event Site is that legit???? |
Some of us have families that enjoy hanging on the grass, taking pictures, using the facilities while waiting. It's not designed to be a watersports-only (or locals-only) scene. Agreed the sandbar offers larger real estate for kiting, but the snatch patch really isn't so bad when you prepare and get out and get back in without hanging in the way (maybe launching/landing a few others after wrapping lines up). I don't know what the whining is about; frankly if I wanted to avoid crowds I'd launch from the Hook.
Thanks Jackal, Pepi, Holm, etc, who self-police and politely tell people about the rules. I laid 'em out one uncrowded day, but was quickly educated in the err of my way. 
I've seen another approach - posting pictures of the offender(s) on a forum as sort of a "wall of shame"... |
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$ociopath
Since 28 Nov 2007
523 Posts
Twilight Zone
Addicted
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| Tue Jun 23, 09 6:15 pm |
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| Mark wrote: | The rules are quite simple. NO lines attached. Period. If you want to lay out your lines or launch and land then go back to the sand spit. The Event Site is for pumping and drying only. I know that seems harsh but it was the Port agreed to. Without lines attached the kite is no more dangerous than a beach ball.
I know the spot is small, but its more than we had last year. If we play by the rules, we can and will get more access.
Thanks all for the self policing. I realize it sucks to have to explain to folks especially when the site is clearly marked. If they give you flack... send them back over to the spit.
Thanks again for everyone's help in this matter.
Also, please do a head count of people using the eventsite and PM me. The more people that help record our use, the easier it will be to get more space.
Thanks
Mark |
A picture would be easier than a head count and show the obvious fact that they are few while we are many  ,you could take a picture a day and bet that you will never see more pole junkies than kite addicts on the grass. |
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undertow
Since 15 Feb 2008
371 Posts
BeaversBurg
Obsessed
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| Tue Jun 23, 09 6:25 pm |
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I do Appreciate the CGKA's work on the Event Site Access, but the snatch patch and all its little rules are tedious. Being that we know these rules second hand, try to explain them even to the brightest of individules and you will get many questions. Now that the 4th of july is coming up and the hordes of people from all over the world will be at our launch, try explaining it to them (people that have been on a plane for 5 hours and have been waiting all their life to kite the gorge). The rules are not logical, ( space not divided up evenly) Lines, rolled only, at home not on the grass etc. It will be confusing to people from out of town, people will unknownly break the rules. If the port is as fickle as ive seen them in the past, then this will be the last summer for the snatch patch, then we can go back to the dog crap posts.
Until the rules are simple enough, and make sense to the out of town kiters, or if the port recognizes that kiting is bigger that windsurfing and rethinks the rules of the Event site, then its over for the snatch patch.
Detachment, let go , hey at least we have it all fall, winter and spring for ourselves. |
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jblum
Since 13 Jul 2008
307 Posts
The Gorge
Obsessed
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| Tue Jun 23, 09 7:21 pm |
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I'm all for the Wall of Shame idea. Let the offenders be revealed in a public forum.
Oh, and we could do the same for the dogs. That's really what I want to see when I come to nwkite is a bunch of pictures of dogs dropping it in the grass. Awesome.
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Kodiak
Since 01 Aug 2005
1114 Posts
Slidey
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| Tue Jun 23, 09 7:49 pm |
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As much as I don't mind people being shamed into following the rules, I would hate for a picture of someone laying out their lines at the event site to be used against all of the kiting community. I could just see someone later at a port meeting with a printout showing folks that we aren't following the rules.
I think Chris handled this the best way it could be. |
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FunShui
Since 16 Jul 2006
146 Posts
Really, really
Stoked
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| Tue Jun 23, 09 8:11 pm |
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Diggy says: | Quote: | | Pay your dues which are so minimal compared to your gear and lessons! |
It probably seems trivial to many but this is the least you can do to support organized efforts on the kiting communities behalf.
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shred_da_gorge
Since 12 Nov 2008
1365 Posts
Da Hood & Da Wood
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| Tue Jun 23, 09 8:47 pm |
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| jblum wrote: | I'm all for the Wall of Shame idea. Let the offenders be revealed in a public forum.
Oh, and we could do the same for the dogs. That's really what I want to see when I come to nwkite is a bunch of pictures of dogs dropping it in the grass. Awesome. |
Whois says wallofpoo.com is available! |
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