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fokiten
Since 04 Mar 2005
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 Tue May 26, 09 3:51 pm |
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| Gman wrote: | seems pretty reasonable to try to learn from others mistakes...
(he didn't die so its not at all disrespectful)
and you are correct that you generally don't have time to react - you go for the ride
but it is poignant that he has launched there 50 to 60 times - tells me that not to take the place lightly in variable conditions or get over-confident (and do shit like trying to jump into a running motorboat - was so close) |
Listen,
I'm not down on you or anyone who kites, what I don't like is the head in the sand stuff.
The facts a brutal, your Boy is as expert as anyone at that spot, and got whacked.
glad he's ok,
Education, is knowing not to pimp this sport as foremostly a good time.
which happens to be the how these same head in the sand dudes, would like to have it portrayed.
It's fucking brutal, don't matter how educated you are
Am I wrong?
don't think so.
This is why i'm off KF, he can't handle the fo of it..
Regards, we're good, sorry i was referring to others..
f
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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| Tue May 26, 09 3:52 pm |
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there is always something to learn.
Like maybe if he had a dongle in place when the wind hit his kite it wouldn't have fully powered up cause he was unhooked. I always "dongle-up" when launching cause it freaks me out when I unhook when I don't want to (throw back to the dongle-less 03 fuel days I guess). Also, allot of times you need to be able to sheet out when you launch at Stevie and if your unhooked, you run a very high chance of backstalling. |
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fokiten
Since 04 Mar 2005
188 Posts
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| Tue May 26, 09 3:59 pm |
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No biggie,
but having it de-powered is of no help when its deep in the window luffed.
when it hooks up it still motors, and you get flung..
been there done that.
If you play it like, what happened to him, was something we just don't know yet.
you're likely to hear from me...
We all know was-up
fo
I'll throw my safety tip out there one more time.
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fo tip # 3.
If your lines go slack when you are on land, pull the plug.
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would have worked here, if that is, I read it right.
It's better to bean some folks than get blood all over the launch, and make the news...
Headache...is the customary salutation
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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| Tue May 26, 09 4:10 pm |
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| fokiten wrote: |
Listen,
I'm not down on you or anyone who kites, what I don't like is the head in the sand stuff.
Regards, we're good, sorry i was referring to others..
f |
dude, you have got some serious issues with the whole KF ban. Who here said the spot wasn't dangerous? Which one of us has our head in the sand? The second anyone tries to figure out what happened at an accident you start beating your "you see" "you see" "its dangerous, I told you fuckers there is nothing to do" drums.
yeah, we get it, shit happens. Kiting can be really safe, kiting can be dangerous. people that have something to gain from it being portrayed as safe, portray it as safe--go figure.
move on already. |
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fokiten
Since 04 Mar 2005
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| Tue May 26, 09 4:17 pm |
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Listen,
It's not about me, it's about being up front.
So tell us more about your dongle solution.
could be the break through "they've" been searching for...
Why do you always try and make it personal?
can't anyone talk about kiting without you taking it personally, then getting personal to avoid talking about kiting anymore?
your an emo huh?
thanks
fo
PS. move on already means what? don't want to talk about it?
Yeah, I see you.
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Sella
Since 21 Apr 2007
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Doin' The Dalles
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| Tue May 26, 09 4:27 pm |
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Both sides work. I was highlighting shit happens in seconds but FO is absolutely right too....it's a brutal sport and no matter how safety focused we can be you WILL have a bad day and go for a ride on the wild side because Mother Nature can be a real devil bitch sometimes.
Kudos to Ryan for jumping on the forum and detailing the events. He took full responsibility and everyone is STOKED he will ride again. If one newbie reads this and actually let's go of the bar when they unhook during a backstall, luffing deep in the window, then Ryan's pain was not in vain.
I've already quoted in another thread Gman saved my ass by something he wrote on nwkite back in the day so live and learn and stay alive amigos / amigas. |
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fokiten
Since 04 Mar 2005
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| Tue May 26, 09 4:28 pm |
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Right-on
that's the tude...
tell it like it is...
Kudos |
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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| Tue May 26, 09 4:40 pm |
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not trying to be personal or anything but it was your post. Your original post reads like there was nothing that could be done and that's simply not the truth. What could have been done is what Ryan said he should have done but just didn't as it happened really fast and that is let go of his bar.
So outside of the normal be aware of your surroundings advice, the biggest thing that beginners should take away from this is that you should be well versed in pulling the release on your kites. If you've only done it once or twice, you would be wise to practice it a couple more times. Like having a friend say "release" out of the blue and see how long it takes you to register and pull the plug. I just taught a friend how to kite and I hit him with that routine at least 6 times. It has to be second nature that when the shit is starting to hit the fan, your hand grabs the release.
The only way that is going to happen is practice. |
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Kruse
Since 21 Oct 2005
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| Tue May 26, 09 4:40 pm |
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thanks y'all. And thanks to all like the dangler who went and got my kite down at the cemetary. I have a couple things that i will take from this above all else1) i will always wear my helmet, 2) if i ever lose tension and drop out my chickenloop anywhere near land i will ditch the bar immediatley-instanty-3) try not to rush, I should have set up a little slower, been a little more cognizant of the surroundings. Hard though when you are all stoked early season and what not.
thanks again for helping me get out of there. I may have to shop for a camera. see ya soon
Ryan |
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fokiten
Since 04 Mar 2005
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| Wed May 27, 09 7:56 am |
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Glad Ryan escaped the reaper...
Ok, here's the other piece of well meant, but a bit unfocused advise...
practice pulling the plug, as sound and as good as this advice is, it's still secondary.
Of primary importance is seeing it coming.
If you don't know what about to go bad looks like, it won't matter how fast you are....you're going for the ride.
Nobody pulls it or lets go post yank.
So, sure practice pulling it, but remember that's not what is going to get you killed, what's going to get you killed is hanging in there with a luffed kite on land, or some line problem that you were too much in a hurry to see...
It's my opinion that any cause you do not see coming, or just brace for (so common, so natural, so in keeping with the go for it tude...) is going to happen to you...and you'll take the hit.
At least that's how it seems to be.
Sure practice puling it, but over and above that, know what about to go bad looks like, and you'll have the time.
so you're right, I think there's nothing that can be done once you go ballistic...
you either see it coming or you take the hit.
brutal...
This, is something no one likes to talk about,
it's what makes this sport different, what makes it something that one sould not try to sell as safe, if, if if,...
etc.
Sorry, thats how I see it
fo
| pdxmonkeyboy wrote: | not trying to be personal or anything but it was your post. Your original post reads like there was nothing that could be done and that's simply not the truth. What could have been done is what Ryan said he should have done but just didn't as it happened really fast and that is let go of his bar.
So outside of the normal be aware of your surroundings advice, the biggest thing that beginners should take away from this is that you should be well versed in pulling the release on your kites. If you've only done it once or twice, you would be wise to practice it a couple more times. Like having a friend say "release" out of the blue and see how long it takes you to register and pull the plug. I just taught a friend how to kite and I hit him with that routine at least 6 times. It has to be second nature that when the shit is starting to hit the fan, your hand grabs the release.
The only way that is going to happen is practice. |
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stringer
Since 31 Jul 2007
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Chucktown
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| Wed May 27, 09 10:16 am |
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| pdxmonkeyboy wrote: | there is always something to learn.
Like maybe if he had a dongle in place when the wind hit his kite it wouldn't have fully powered up cause he was unhooked. I always "dongle-up" when launching cause it freaks me out when I unhook when I don't want to (throw back to the dongle-less 03 fuel days I guess). Also, allot of times you need to be able to sheet out when you launch at Stevie and if your unhooked, you run a very high chance of backstalling. |
I don't know dude.
It might be better to go dickless.
When people get lofted its usually after the backstall.
If you're dickless and backstall it will be easier to bail.
At stevenson its worth it to just bail if you backstall from the launch.
Don't bother trying to save it.
Even if you rip your kite, KiteRX is usually right there to help!
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mschulz
Since 29 May 2007
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Reno, NV
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| Wed May 27, 09 10:55 am |
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| stringer wrote: |
Don't bother trying to save it.
Even if you rip your kite, KiteRX is usually right there to help! |
Always cheaper to repair/replace a kite or board than your body. 
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Gman
Since 11 Feb 2006
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| Wed May 27, 09 11:48 am |
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Yes - but it is a hard instinct to fight - as you are focused on keeping your kite from bouncnig down the lawn and headed for the rocky cliff - easy to forgot you are standing on a pile of rocks
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kw
Since 27 May 2009
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| Wed May 27, 09 10:39 pm |
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| Question: I've launched at Stevenson a lot over the last ten years, but I've never done it while standing upwind of the big rock, or anything else I didn't want to be dragged into. So, I'm guessing there's a reason Ryan did it differently. Does anyone know that reason? |
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Mark
Since 20 Jun 2005
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| Thu May 28, 09 8:06 am |
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Don't think he was doing any crazy launch. He was in the normal spot (downwind of the big rock) His launch went bad and he was launched into the rocks on the bank.
Heal up quick!
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