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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
2027 Posts
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 Tue Sep 02, 08 8:15 am |
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well I still wouldn't consider that bad
I use a custom bar that has place for OSH
on the bar ends
but I don't have anything there just knots and no way flag
my leash is connected to the front line
And when the front line leash broke the other day my kite went to a sprial
right away
luckily it went into the water and I was able to grab a backline to keep kite
from getting loose .
It would have been better to have osh handles on the ends as well
and I may add them
However the line I was using for my leash was worn out and I didn't notice it.
And after over 11 years of kiting this is the first time that has happened.
I don't think it was the way I have it set-up, it is the way I didn't do maintenance.
Registerd broke a back line leash his kite did the same thing
so no relief there.
Who is the judge of what works for whom?
I see peeps using brand new shit that I would never use
and pretty happy with it.
Same with the older stuff
The idea that new is better is not correct
This new stuff is way more complicated and potential for problems way higher
just think about all the shitty launch areas that are accessed by the "de-power"
crowd ,,,now
or have a 12 meter out in 30 knots ,could be dangerous ,I see lot's doing it though
Pulling on the bar still has an impact on what happens next
and that is only the responsability of the rider.
If somebody wants to burn thier trade ins , whatever
mine will be on E-bay |
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
4330 Posts
Hood River
Hick
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| Tue Sep 02, 08 8:43 am |
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| One thing I've noticed about these used gear threads... All the Coast guys disagree while all the Gorge guys agree. |
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
2027 Posts
Windward
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| Tue Sep 02, 08 8:59 am |
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| Forrest wrote: | | One thing I've noticed about these used gear threads... All the Coast guys disagree while all the Gorge guys agree. |
I look at new bars with all the lines and bells and whistles
to do everything
I shudder at all the things to go wrong
It's why I'm using my bar from 2000
Longhorns and Naish sheeting
It's really life and death in big surf
I can only assume that all these bar mods are better for tricks .
The surf crowd doesn't do many tricks
keep it simple,,
There is a lot of disscusion about how to use the new and latest
if it's so much better why does it take forever to make it work.
Ask Hein he has the trickest bars I have ever seen and they look very simple |
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Wind Slither
Since 04 Mar 2005
2626 Posts
The 503
METAL
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| Tue Sep 02, 08 9:24 am |
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| Forrest wrote: | | One thing I've noticed about these used gear threads... All the Coast guys disagree while all the Gorge guys agree. |
You've got a point...it's easy to forget how knarly Gorge wind can be. I was out during KB4C weekend and I could hardly relax at all. With all the crowds, obstacles, and devil winds, it's a place that deserves extra caution.
I think it equates to selling an older car...it may not have air bags and anti-lock brakes, but it's got seat belts....
Let's put some modified or newer line systems on those good old kites and give 'em some love!
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
2027 Posts
Windward
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| Tue Sep 02, 08 9:35 am |
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I think it equates to selling an older car...it may not have air bags and anti-lock brakes, but it's got seat belts....
and a driver that is proactive  
I'm good with new tech for sure 
but new marketing 
i'm not too sure  |
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pkh
Since 27 Feb 2005
6549 Posts
Couve / Hood
Honored Founder
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| Tue Sep 02, 08 9:43 am |
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Coast vs. Gorge is definitely a huge difference, and I'd say open room is as much more a factor than gusts.
The guy that went to the hospital last year was on a 12m Naish Aero (2002.) He ran into a wood pile head first... most of those are gone but there's still plenty of rocks out there. Not like the endless sandy soft beaches of the coast.
As for the Aero, used to have a couple... Yeah they were okay kites for me to learn on, does that mean they are great kites in gusty winds? No.
C Kite or not is not the issue. If you really want to argue this out go to KiteForum, there are tons of threads C-Kite Crowds vs. the "BowMosexuals"
My main opinion is whether a kite is old or not doesn't matter as much as if it has a functioning safety system on the bar. C Kites should have a 5th line system and all other kites should have a front line leash.
You also have to question if giving away "free gear" is really ehtical. If someone gets into the sport because they think they can do it for $100, is that really the type of person you want launching just upwind from you at the sandbar? When he pulls a Kevin Kearney right into the family picnic downwind, say goodbye to kiting in the Gorge. |
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
2027 Posts
Windward
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| Tue Sep 02, 08 9:47 am |
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Welll,,,
I prefer DUMBOWS
so another 
and keerect
launches ,and landings |
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
4330 Posts
Hood River
Hick
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| Tue Sep 02, 08 10:15 am |
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HAha, yea, it was just an observation, wasn't trying to polarize the argument.
BTW, I learned on an Aero II. I still have the bastard, even rigged up a fifth line way back in the day. |
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
6081 Posts
forever labled as the
retired kiter & motorhead Unicorn Master
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| Tue Sep 02, 08 11:56 am |
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I think the coast/gorge difference is huge. Its crowded over here in the gorge and access issues seem to always be rearing their heads. Plus, we have uber exposure to noobs and boobs. I don't think many people go to the coast, see kiteboarders and go huh, I want to try that.
Seems like every non-kiter I talk to that travels to HR brings up "those windsurfers with the big kites". |
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Windance Crew
Since 18 Apr 2008
473 Posts
Hood River Kite Shop
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| Tue Sep 02, 08 12:00 pm |
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You guys are right on. At Windance we stopped taking in C kites this year also.
But just an hour ago a beginner guy was in here with a used C he bought kite for $300!. What a rip off. Anyone selling like this deserves to be Kearnied on their next session.
Dave
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Hurricane Mike
Since 19 Jun 2006
128 Posts
Stoked
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Pepi
Since 16 Jun 2006
1832 Posts
Pure Stoke Sports
Shop Owner
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| Wed Sep 03, 08 8:24 am |
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| pkh wrote: | The guy that went to the hospital last year was on a 12m Naish Aero (2002.) He ran into a wood pile head first... most of those are gone but there's still plenty of rocks out there. Not like the endless sandy soft beaches of the coast.
As for the Aero, used to have a couple... Yeah they were okay kites for me to learn on, does that mean they are great kites in gusty winds? No.
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This is one of the main reasons for our not accepting older C-kites in our consignment program.
But, the biggest issue we run into is that any newbies getting into kiting really have no idea about what a "C" kite is and what the proper safety protocols are for launching/landing them, not to mention even how each kite brands' safety system was designed to work (there were many different safety systems over the past 7 years that changed either each year, or by each brand).
There is a certain amount of respect that a rider must have when flying a "C" kite and if your exposure to kiting has been only within the past 2 years, you will not have much information or advice on what this respect must be. Even if you have taken professional lessons, you need to understand that your instructor used the most modern of SLE kites with the latest and most modern safety system.
We try to use a certain metaphor description when explaining the difference between "C" kites and "SLE" kites to a newbie asking about the difference in kite design characteristics.
We tell them that learning on a "C" kite is likened to learning how to drive in a tricked out muscle car with a stick-shift tranny and sticky throttle, and that learning on an "SLE" kite is likened to learning how to drive in a modern sports car with an automatic transmission.
Thanks
Pepi
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