Fix for Slingshot GW-91/Moses 633 floating on side?

apctjb · Since 19 Aug 2007 432 Posts Obsessed

My wife is getting into foiling and recently used my gear (Slingshot converter with GW-91 foil). She loved the foil but hates that the board/foil combo will sometimes float on its side after crashes (and stay that way) rather than foil submerged and heading downwind.

Does anyone know if the floating on the side thing occurs with the GW-91 with other boards (Alien Air, Galaxy, etc.) or is it just a problem when used with the converter.?

Anyone figure out a simple fix (other than drilling holes in the 633 wing and filling it with lead shot..)

caps · Since 23 Dec 2010 347 Posts Obsessed

I have no real solution, just perspective. I started with the SS Hoverglide- great foil but sinks like a rock. The SS HG can be a real challenge to keep on its side with such a heavy ballast. Now that I’m riding the SS GW 633, it’s such a pleasure to waterstart with no real effort needed to get the foil in a ready position. And I think it’s awesome that you have her foiling. Way to go!

ldhr · Since 21 Jul 2009 1487 Posts Hood River XTreme Poster

The GW 633 will float with any board.
I've tried it with all of the SS boards (Alien, 52" DC, 42" DC).
Most foils sink and the board will get blown downwind even in the Columbia current.
However - with the 633 - it stays on it's side and in the Columbia will sometimes get swept upwind with the current.

apctjb · Since 19 Aug 2007 432 Posts Obsessed

apctjb · Since 19 Aug 2007 432 Posts Obsessed

wylieflyote · Tue Jan 22, 19 9:47 am

Is this driving the board away more than would a normal twintip? I realize I've gotten lazy over the past 2 years with the built-in go-joe that the foil provides, but I too like how the Onda/633 lays on its side while I'm trying to position it for waterstarts. The older LF were bricks.
I need more TOW

apctjb · Since 19 Aug 2007 432 Posts Obsessed

Slappysan · Since 13 Jun 2012 309 Posts Obsessed

I have no experience with that specific wing but I did just get a new setup with a monster wing and it usually floats on it's side. I was worried about the same issue as your wife but for whatever reason my setup still goes downwave at a decent clip even when on it's side.

Maybe it's because more of the foil is in the water for my setup (NP Glide L + DC54) I'm not sure how out of the water your wing is.

The times that the foil was fully submerged the foil was motoring downwave super fast, I actually had to work to catch up to it.

Only logged a bit over an hour so far on it though, and a big chunk of that was spent figuring out that foot hooks weren't going to work out with this size of wing:

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Nak · Tue Jan 22, 19 11:19 am

You could get a Slingshot mast to Moses fuselage adapter from Stringy and use a Slingshot hoverglide mast. The extra weight of the mast should make the foil more likely to sink. That said, it makes it so much easier to waterstart when the foil stays sideways, and it makes it easier to see the board when you get separated in bigger water. When the foil sinks in big water, rides flat and shoots downwind, it's a lot harder to find. I was amazed in Baja how fast the board could disappear. This was with a 633. (A big wave knocked it flat.)

I find it a lot easier to drag to my sideways foil than I do with a twin tip. Given the big advantages to the board laying sideways--the main reason I went to a carbon foil--I think she'd be better off learning to get better at body dragging.

apctjb · Since 19 Aug 2007 432 Posts Obsessed

Nak · Tue Jan 22, 19 1:12 pm

eric · Since 13 Jan 2006 1840 Posts XTreme Poster

Yeah, that puppy floats. During spring/Rufus FAST water I wish it did not. Every other time, it's fine.

moondog · Wed Jan 23, 19 7:05 am

That float issue was the first thing I noticed when I went from the Lift 110 to my 633 and GW91. I have no solution except patience. It will sometimes take 2 minutes for the wing to finally sink. Initially I thought it was the combination of my alien air and the 633, but it is on a new lighter board down in LV and I have the same problem. It still comes to you when it is sitting on it's side, just at a much slower rate. When I crash and burn and see it floating on it's side I go into immediate body drag for retrieval, just like in the good old days.

macgruber · Since 06 Dec 2011 490 Posts SE PDX volcano Obsessed

The Hoverglide mast with adaptor should work to drop it. My LF Impulse is similar to that and sinks, but not as quick as the Hoverglide I started on! I see a lot of people body dragging with their kite too high (should be almost touching the water).

Brian H · Since 08 Aug 2015 54 Posts

Does anyone know if the Mhl lift 170 floats on it side for long periods of time like the 633 on the same given board ?

Brian H · Since 08 Aug 2015 54 Posts

Does anyone know if the Mhl lift 170 floats on it side for long periods of time like the 633 on the same given board ?

apctjb · Since 19 Aug 2007 432 Posts Obsessed