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dangler
Since 26 Feb 2006
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WINDY SPOTS
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Mon May 16, 16 5:07 pm I've been personally hooked by 3 different fisherman. |
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What'd they do, throw you back in cuz you're small? _________________ Kite Repair? AND LABRADORS Call me.(509) six 37-four five 29 |
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SpaceRacer
Since 04 Nov 2007
434 Posts
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Mon May 16, 16 6:06 pm |
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Wow! That place looks like it's going to be shut down one way or the other. |
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dhhr
Since 09 Jul 2015
30 Posts
Hood River
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Tue May 17, 16 7:27 am |
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I just read that according to the OR dept. of fish & wildlife, they extended chinook and steelhead fishing on the Columbia for an additional 3 days from Astoria to McNary Dam from May 13 - 15:
http://www.dfw.state.or.us/news/2016/05_May/051116.asp
The ODFW website says: "After the 15th, this section of the Columbia River will revert to permanent regulations", which are here:
http://www.dfw.state.or.us/resources/fishing/docs/16ORFW-Final-LR.pdf
I'm not sure about the fishing season after May 15, but this extension would explain the number of fishing poles on the bank last weekend.
I guess it would be worthwhile to take a look at ODFW Salmon & Steelhead updates and exceptions on the Columbia before heading out to Rufus. |
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Freeride Kiter
Since 08 Jul 2011
701 Posts
El Sargento, B.C.S. Mexico
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Tue May 17, 16 8:20 am |
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Sunday there were poles all the way out to the end of the hook (lines out of water). Had to drift launch out of the pocket or walk through them. Even through they were not fishing - we launched at the west end to keep things cool. _________________ "I have often regretted my speech, never my silence" ~Xenocrates |
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Freeride Kiter
Since 08 Jul 2011
701 Posts
El Sargento, B.C.S. Mexico
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Tue May 17, 16 8:23 am |
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crud you said west... sorry
There were poles all the way down to the brush - just before the cool little gravel beach pocket the windsurfers love. _________________ "I have often regretted my speech, never my silence" ~Xenocrates |
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A.K.
Since 01 Jul 2006
190 Posts
Stoked
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Tue May 17, 16 3:52 pm |
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I always give the native fisherman a wide berth. I sense that the natives are little bitter. But its probably because we stole their land. |
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Pepi
Since 16 Jun 2006
1831 Posts
Pure Stoke Sports
Shop Owner
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Tue May 17, 16 4:21 pm |
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In speaking with some of the water patrol officers and tribal officers o,ver the years regarding the growth of drift nets and fishing lines along the columbia and more specifically along publicly used launch areas, they commented that there are newer generations of native americans seeking fishing as an income means.
The reason for the sometime random odd fishing (net and line) locations is due to the need to find new or non-previously established fishing locations already claimed by other tribes or families.
This could sound a bit off topic, but it relates to what you may notice along the Columbia these past few years and what is possibly expected in the coming years.
Their only restriction (as far as I know) is that they cannot be in the barge lanes, otherwise, they can be located just about anywhere they like as long as their is likely to be fish there.
A few years ago some windsurfers were cutting the net and fishing lines (ideally not maliciously, but as a result of what they thought were safety concerns). This resulted in some very emotionally driven anger from the tribes towards the windsurfers (kiters were at the meeting and not lumped in with the windsurfers).
As a lot of others have pointed out in this thread, it is something we need to do our best to work with and approach any situations with calm and friendly demeanor. Anger begets anger and respect earns respect.
The CGKA is going to have a rep see if there are any lines of communication or dialogue that can be established with the tribal/fishing community.
No promises, but it's a start. _________________ Pure Stoke Sports
Hood River, OR
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Hood-River-OR/2nd-Wind-Sports/35891485558?ref=mf
www.Purestokesports.com Last edited by Pepi on Tue May 17, 16 5:30 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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SalmonSlayer
Since 27 Nov 2005
648 Posts
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Tue May 17, 16 4:46 pm |
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A.K. wrote: | I always give the native fisherman a wide berth. I sense that the natives are little bitter. But its probably because we stole their land. |
If you believe you stole something, give it back. |
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HRnico
Since 22 Mar 2008
261 Posts
Da Hood
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Tue May 17, 16 5:16 pm |
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Stole their land? That was 150 years ago. I stole nothing _________________ CGKA Member |
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jkspinuzzi
Since 15 May 2016
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Kook
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Tue May 17, 16 9:15 pm Final words |
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The original intent of this post was simple. If you have an interaction with a fisherman make sure you have video to back your claim. It is their word against yours and in tribal court you will not win without proof. If you are injured by a fisherman call the number on the original post and report the injury. Beyond that be your peaceful self and hope you don't have to deal with angry Oscar and his girlfriend. Have fun stay safe. |
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Anthony
Since 07 Oct 2008
362 Posts
Salem
Obsessed
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Wed May 18, 16 6:27 am |
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Pepi you hit it on the mark with what is going on out there. I am coming out to the Gorge the next three days. If Rufus has all the fishing poles at the launch area, I will not be there. Is the area still being fishing poled out? Please save me a wasted trip that direction. Last edited by Anthony on Wed May 18, 16 6:54 am; edited 1 time in total |
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wylieflyote
Since 30 Jun 2006
1646 Posts
Puget Sound & Wa. Coast
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Wed May 18, 16 6:35 am |
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Anthony wrote: | Is the area still being fishing poled out? |
Can't say much about today. But on Sunday May 15 there were unattended poles with lines out about every 40 feet from end to end the entire Rufus shoreline. These extended all the way out to the east-end point, near the lagoon. We could not see any logical way to access the kiting, and drove back home.
I initially thought I could walk between the poles with my kite at 12 noon, but that's insane as the lines are running criss-cross every which way. .
I hope this resolves itself someday _________________ CGKA Member
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Ho-Toe
Since 30 Apr 2014
231 Posts
pissed-off science guy like Bill Nye
CO2 quantifier & upwelling specialist
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Wed May 18, 16 9:21 am resolution |
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"I hope this resolves itself someday"
Spring chinook will be extinct sooner or later... Problem solved. |
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Freeride Kiter
Since 08 Jul 2011
701 Posts
El Sargento, B.C.S. Mexico
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Wed May 18, 16 5:00 pm |
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It's now commercial fishing season, ceremonial tribal fishing has ended. Some of the fisher-people will continue to fish commercially with poles. _________________ "I have often regretted my speech, never my silence" ~Xenocrates |
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Freeride Kiter
Since 08 Jul 2011
701 Posts
El Sargento, B.C.S. Mexico
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Wed May 18, 16 8:24 pm |
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.... and it was great to see everyone going with flow and launching westside today. Way to take the high road despite the eastside launch being occcupied. _________________ "I have often regretted my speech, never my silence" ~Xenocrates |
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Kmun
Since 05 Jul 2009
258 Posts
Obsessed
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Fri May 20, 16 10:14 am Culture Clash |
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Do not kick a hornets’ nest!
Effective distances:
Do not interpret the elbow to elbow distance between the fishing rods as permission for a kiter to navigate with similar clearance. The perception of invading their personal space is sensitized by a culture clash not only between sports but in this case effecting fisher-people’s livelihood.
In this setting it is arguable as to what type of disturbance can scare the fish. Considering the culture clash maintain ONE to TWO full Kite lines distance (30m) between you and the fishing rods. This applies to the shadow of your kite as well as your board skimming (w/fins whistling) above where their bait may be sitting on the bottom.
Was Oscars' cast into the kite an accident? HA! Right! Casting rods can be very, very accurate. Be thankful this was not a duck hunting insolent.
Easy and considerate.
If you must launch in the cove; distance yourself from the point buy towing yourself east down the center of the bay well off the point of the cove. It is lousy fish habitat and will not be of high value to salmon fisher people. Recreational bass fishers have been successful fishing in there as well as stirring up kiter conflicts causing rangers to intervene. It's a big ask but, it is wise to have a tactful conversation asking permission to launch between their casts. Describe that will allow tow yourself a considerate casting distance downwind (east) before heading north into the river. Returning and landing is not so easy but there are very quiet bays for dropping the kite on that south shore, east of the cove. Better yet...scroll down to the last paragraph.
Dogs unattended:
Over the years after each spring run; I have collected garbage bags full of mono-filament rats’ nests attached to human-toe sized stainless hooks adorned with dog-yummy smelly bait. Until we comb from the rocks this seasons mess humans and their best friends will be the catch of the day. Yes, I’d love to have my dog run in sight and under control while I rig, but not in this tinder box.
Reducing the pressure on the fishing zone:
Would anyone like to share a landing spot and technique for the areas west of the fishing zone? |
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jcarlson
Since 10 Jun 2006
12 Posts
Seattle
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Tue May 24, 16 12:02 am |
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The fishing poles were not in the east launch area last weekend or today, though still along much of the beach. |
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