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pauls
Since 20 Jun 2005
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bobgatpdx
Since 04 Oct 2008
218 Posts
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Thu Jan 07, 16 8:26 pm |
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I thought this was a very useful piece. It's good to practice (or at least think about) sketchy situations that could get you into trouble.
- Bob _________________ RoosterCam Guy
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Windian
Since 28 Apr 2008
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Newport, OR
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Thu Jan 07, 16 8:34 pm |
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Good video post. Thanks! |
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Freeride Kiter
Since 08 Jul 2011
701 Posts
El Sargento, B.C.S. Mexico
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Fri Jan 08, 16 6:34 am |
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Not a bad idea to practice recovery methods like this, especially if you have the opportunity to see how it feels and go through scenarios in light winds.
In higher wind velocities lines will become tighter and harder to grab hold of and manipulate, as well the kite has the potential to spiral wickedly fast. You may not have much time to think about what is happening or how to mitigate it.
I employ spirals and loops for climbing when snowkiting or downwinders, but from several ridiculous experiences - death spirals scare the #$%^& outta me. _________________ "I have often regretted my speech, never my silence" ~Xenocrates |
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bigjohn
Since 13 Mar 2012
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Fri Jan 08, 16 9:32 am |
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Best kite safety video ever.
As Kiters we are taught to rely on our kite's safety systems. In reality some/often times pulling a safety can put us (or others around us) in a more dangerous situation. Especially if this safety pulled is your second safety releasing your kite to flow freely into others down wind!!!
Your steering lines are you friend. Take the time to learn how to use them. I especially like the video's section regarding the act of practicing access to your steering lines when your bar is garbled. I have personally experienced a situation where I rode through my lines and wrapped a knot around my harness. Luckily I was in the water as it took me a good 45 seconds to figure out how to access a steering line to flag my kite. If I had been on land I suspect the situation would have been bad.
I am personally going to practice the techniques shown in the video for accessing my bar's steering lines and encourage others to do so as well.
Another concept to consider if your gear is garbled is pulling yourself up your lines to access a point where your steering lines are free such that you can flag your kite. This would obviously be a last case option, but if you can't slide a steering line due to a knot or fixed object between you and your kite it might be an option to consider. _________________ Kiting starts at 40MPH Last edited by bigjohn on Fri Jan 08, 16 9:48 am; edited 1 time in total |
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dude abides
Since 06 Apr 2014
52 Posts
Bend, OR
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Fri Jan 08, 16 9:38 am worth watching |
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thanks for posting.
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kss
Since 24 Apr 2006
614 Posts
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Fri Jan 08, 16 10:06 am |
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good find paul!! gonna have ashton go through this video a bunch. good for groms and OGs alike!! |
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SpaceRacer
Since 04 Nov 2007
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Sat Jan 09, 16 10:02 pm |
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I have seen this video and give thanks to who made it. But I am skeptical of whether this would work, especially in the Gorge on small powered kites. If you watch the video, despite being in super light wind, this guy's kite tries to relaunch itself. If you're on a looping kite, most likely one outside line is shorter than the other. As you reel in the longer line, you then end up with two equal length steering lines that are both shorter than the center lines, tipping the kite back to either relaunch or hot launch. And good luck in deep water trying to fly a kite with one hand wrapped around a steering line while you "calmly sort your junk out". In a death spiral, I'm reaching for my big hook knife and cutting my center lines and every other f+×÷ing thing with tension on it. |
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Alz
Since 04 Aug 2015
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Fri Apr 22, 16 7:40 pm |
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I was at Cape Hatteras last week, on a 7m kite (other kiters were on 6-8 m kites). The wind was blowing about 28 with gusts into the mid 30s. During a particularly strong gust, I was having trouble keeping control when things went bad, and I hit the water. I expected the kite to calm down, but this time it kept dragging me while it kept looping. I've been kiting less than a year, so it took me a little longer than it should have to realize what was happening and I was slow to release the chicken loop. The loop released, but there were enough twists in the lines to keep the kite from depowering much. I was in waist deep water, but couldn't stand up.
We had watched the video the night before, so it was fresh in my mind. What I should have done the second I realized the kite was still looping, was RELEASE THE SAFETY LEASH , but I was thinking about the video.
I had to pull myself about 10 feet up the lines to get ahead of the twists, then I started pulling on one of the lines. It took about another 6 feet of pulling before the kite calmed down, but it worked. Being in shallow water was definitely helpful. So the technique in the video works. But I think it should stressed that if you can release the kite, do that before trying to get to a single line. It is too easy to get tangled in the lines. I think I'd use a hook knife too before trying the maneuver.
It turned out the initial problem that caused the kite to loop was one of the center lines broke.
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bulae99
Since 12 Jul 2006
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I give out bad advice.
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Fri Apr 22, 16 7:52 pm omg |
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daveS
Since 23 Jul 2007
103 Posts
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Mon Apr 25, 16 7:11 am |
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I think the most helpful thing I learned after watching the video and reading comments was to STOP attaching my leash to the back of my harness. I don't do handle bar passes. I even think its a bad idea to sell harnesses with the back attachment already set up. Make it an option for wake style riders to add IMO. |
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patdaniels
Since 29 Jul 2015
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Mon Apr 25, 16 7:24 am |
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Don't forget back attachment on harnesses also serves for assisted hold down while launching sketchy, or for holding down while teaching kiters, so the harness manufacturers will probably keep back attachment on there. You are right though, it's safer to attach to the front. I've also gone to a shorter leash to help avoid a neck wrap crashing in surf and getting tumbled. |
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moondog
Since 15 Aug 2007
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Mon Apr 25, 16 7:44 am |
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Great video, thanks for sharing. We just about lost a kiter last year in the Gorge because of the death spiral scenario. Afterwards he shared he was just seconds from drowning before he cut his lines. I will share this technique as soon as I see him this season. _________________ moondog |
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deminimis
Since 15 Jul 2014
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Mon Apr 25, 16 11:40 am |
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Good find. Thanks. The Boy could have used this technique last Summer when he snapped a center line at Floras. |
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Alz
Since 04 Aug 2015
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Mon Apr 25, 16 12:11 pm |
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It's a good technique to know, but if I can release the chicken loop and the safety release and ditch the kite, it's safer than trying to get to a single line. The risk is getting tangled up in the other lines and having the kite relaunch. |
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bigjohn
Since 13 Mar 2012
663 Posts
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Tue May 23, 17 8:07 pm Part 2 to the video |
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I came across an update to the original video. I found it to be informative as well.
Situations for cutting lines are addressed. Death loop in high winds are addressed. A well put together safety video.
Check out:
https://youtu.be/SjA5CEzZrTU?t=14 _________________ Kiting starts at 40MPH |
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FreerideWhiteSalmon
Since 17 May 2012
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Wed May 24, 17 10:48 am |
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SpaceRacer wrote: | I have seen this video and give thanks to who made it. But I am skeptical of whether this would work, especially in the Gorge on small powered kites. If you watch the video, despite being in super light wind, this guy's kite tries to relaunch itself. If you're on a looping kite, most likely one outside line is shorter than the other. As you reel in the longer line, you then end up with two equal length steering lines that are both shorter than the center lines, tipping the kite back to either relaunch or hot launch. And good luck in deep water trying to fly a kite with one hand wrapped around a steering line while you "calmly sort your junk out". In a death spiral, I'm reaching for my big hook knife and cutting my center lines and every other f+×÷ing thing with tension on it. |
Is there a reason you wouldn't just pop your second safety and release the kite at this point, vs. cutting lines? The only situation I can think of is the bar is somehow tangled and attached to your harness on the hook. |
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