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scottman
Since 08 Jun 2007
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 Tue Aug 06, 13 11:43 am Sheep shagging and goat herding..... |
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Sheep shagging and goat herding.....
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gionk
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| Tue Aug 06, 13 11:49 am |
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NWfail forced post edit
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Jonpnw
Since 22 Jul 2010
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| Tue Aug 06, 13 11:56 am Beautiful ! |
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WOW ! 
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craz z
Since 01 Dec 2008
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Montana
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| Tue Aug 06, 13 11:59 am |
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Love the place myself.
Can u please do us locals a favor and delete this entire thread. There is a on going dispute of what is legal and what is not in glacier or national parks for that matter.
The superintendent is currently reviewing the situation and we don't need any poachers or extra exposure for this magical place.
Glacier at this time IS ILLEGAL FOR KITING
Please read whats going on here.
http://montanakitesports.com/content/glacier-park
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K2
Since 30 Apr 2009
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Hood River, OR
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| Tue Aug 06, 13 12:26 pm |
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Man that looks awesome! Cool pic and really cool location!
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mikiter
Since 24 Sep 2008
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| Tue Aug 06, 13 1:25 pm |
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| craz z wrote: | Love the place myself.
Can u please do us locals a favor and delete this entire thread. There is a on going dispute of what is legal and what is not in glacier or national parks for that matter.
The superintendent is currently reviewing the situation and we don't need any poachers or extra exposure for this magical place.
Glacier at this time IS ILLEGAL FOR KITING
Please read whats going on here.
http://montanakitesports.com/content/glacier-park |
From grazing over the link, it seems that there was the typical response from a public official to a question to which he couldn't reference something in black and white, "we'll research it and until then no." Typical. We deal with it in the military all the time. Its up to the local kiters to speak with the public officials, make a good name, volunteer, etc, to make it a spot where kiting is not perceived as paragliding, wind-boarding, parachute-surfing, or some other stupid kook name that gets tossed around. Its kiting, the most exhilarating green sport on the planet. So before "no kiteboarding" gets put down in ink and is a reference, petition that it be allowed by showing the powers that be some good facts and the positives of it, rather than the mis-conceptions of the dangers.
And delete this thread? Cmon that seems a little harsh dont ya think? Its a beautiful pic, and I doubt there are going to be convoys of Subaru Outbacks with Thules strapped to the top filled with kite gear fulfilling some manifest destiny to kite that spot. Its a picture...a good harmless one, and now the kiter who posted it knows the local rules as well as the rest of us due to it. You should thank him if anything. And thank you for posting that link...now I know 
Cheers,
Josh
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mikiter
Since 24 Sep 2008
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| Tue Aug 06, 13 1:32 pm |
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From the site that was linked previously...
From the profile "montana" at link http://montanakitesports.com/content/glacier-park
| Quote: | I sent a letter via email and snail mail to the Super.....
Lets see what happens. I included most of the points on this forum and a few others. If you would like to read the letter I will be happy to send it to you. I want to warn everyone that we should try to stay respectful of the no kiting for now. we don't want to piss of the park service by poaching the lake and as dave indicated we have a chance to get a ruling in our favor so lets do it the right way. |
And this is how ya do it folks!!! Respectful and smart! Playing their cards right.
Cheers,
Josh
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craz z
Since 01 Dec 2008
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Montana
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| Tue Aug 06, 13 6:54 pm |
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The only reason I asked to delete the thread was to keep a low profile of this sensitive spot.
This is Montana's "Secret Spot" whether it be a Government official that does not know the law or not still has power in this small area of the world.
This is only a courtesy to non-locals as a warning to not kite here until this is resolved.
This was brought to our attention after another picture surfaced on a magazine and was later retracted after they were asked to take it down.
http://montanakitesports.com/forums/i-apologize-everyone-site-my-story-about-glacier-please-read-further
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scottman
Since 08 Jun 2007
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hillsboro
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| Tue Aug 06, 13 10:24 pm |
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| I changed the heading, but not sure how to delete.
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scottman
Since 08 Jun 2007
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hillsboro
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| Tue Aug 06, 13 10:31 pm |
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| From a legal standpoint, and I am no lawyer, it seems they would have to specifically mention kiteboarding as an exclusion.
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craz z
Since 01 Dec 2008
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Montana
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| Wed Aug 07, 13 9:46 am |
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Thanks Scottman for changing the status.
I think you would agree that its the best place you've ever kited I know that holds true for me.
As far as I know every Park has their own governing body.
I'm pretty sure this is worked out in at least Yellowstone the issue came up and some good kiters got it taken care of I think as long as you have a PFD you are allowed to kite Jellystone.
There was also an incident in Oregon and petitions etc. I think that is now banned it was once a option for Oregon snowkiting.
Glacier is still on the fence and we're trying to get it resolved properly. Arguing bylaws will not help until we get what is acceptable by the superintendent. As one poster stated
1st offence is a warning 2nd is a ticket.
Its really quite stupid. Other parks have issued variances such as Yosemite allows certain types of paragliding and hang gliding, but they also worked hard to get that.
I wish we could just get clarification from the top of the food chain rather then pleading our case to each individual park person that doesn't know what to do so they just say no, but thats where we are at, at this point.
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shred_da_gorge
Since 12 Nov 2008
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Da Hood & Da Wood
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| Wed Aug 07, 13 4:01 pm |
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Funny - at first glance this thread looked like 'Scotsman' talking about sheep...
Why do Scotsmen wear kilts? Because sheep can hear zippers a mile away!
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kitebot
Since 20 Feb 2007
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| Wed Aug 07, 13 6:17 pm |
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What's the difference between Mick Jagger and a Scotsman?
One says, "Hey you get off my cloud!"
The other says,"Hey McLeod get off my ewe!"
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Gman
Since 11 Feb 2006
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Portland
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lewmt
Since 04 Aug 2010
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MT
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| Thu Aug 08, 13 3:33 am |
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Yeah - the term poacher was a bit out of whack above in the reply to scotman's original picture. He obviously saw something good & took advantage without knowing the circumstances & that's fine.
Since the interim superintendent ruled we weren't allowed to kite in the park the rangers have been "educating" anyone who is kiting within the park on their 1st "incident". The rangers seem to be on our side but are limited to their obligation to enforce the regulation. There is a meeting soon with the new full time superintendent to sort this out. We are hopeful our kiter representative will be able to shed some light on the differences between kiting & paragliding, base jumping, & para-sailing which are clearly defined in the regulations.
Its not just a uniquely beautiful place but there's a unique thermal flow that happens when nothing else is working on the plains of MT. Usually in the heat of summer so its not likely to become a destination kite location. This is actually 1 of the huge concerns the park service has and why we are hoping to keep the profile low until the reg's. are sorted out.
Thanks for taking the pic down & hopefully we'll be able to get the place available to all. Just north of the border in Waterton Park they actually advertise kiting as a reason to visit on the official Alberta Visitors bureau video. Hopefully that will help our cause.
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scottman
Since 08 Jun 2007
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hillsboro
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| Thu Aug 08, 13 11:09 am |
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Continuing with the joke thread...
In Montana how do you separate the Men from the sheep?
With a crowbar 
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shred_da_gorge
Since 12 Nov 2008
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Da Hood & Da Wood
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| Fri Aug 09, 13 9:17 am |
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| lewmt wrote: | | There is a meeting soon with the new full time superintendent to sort this out. We are hopeful our kiter representative will be able to shed some light on the differences between kiting & paragliding, base jumping, & para-sailing which are clearly defined in the regulations. |
Bring him coke and hookers (or maybe sheep?).
Seriously though - best of luck with preserving your access!
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