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Gman
Since 11 Feb 2006
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 Wed Mar 21, 12 1:52 pm Re: r u FKING KIDDING |
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| dangler wrote: | On a side note, the Today show on NBC just aired the video of the guy flying with Slingshot wings. They were truly amazed at this breakthrough in impossible applied physics.
One of the anchors said excitedly she couldn't wait to try it.
It's funny what people will believe, alright. |
Saw that - guess they cant afford to vet the news anymore...
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Occupied Columbia
Since 12 Nov 2011
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| Wed Mar 21, 12 5:46 pm |
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| I've never been a political guy. but, 7 months vegan diet. I can drive a rover that gets 15-18mpg and still have a lower carbon footprint than just about anyone who still eats meat and dairy. All the fuel used to raise and store cattle could be used for other energy needs. Food tastes better than ever, once you get past the first three weeks. Carbon foot print way lower. Blood pressure way lower. Energy level up. Kite all day. I'm not an animal rights advocate. (Although my wife kind of is.) But the fact is the most environmental thing we can do is stop eating meat and dairy. Just throwing this out there. A year ago I was ignorant to all of the bad problems that are part of eating meat and dairy. I eat vegan for health. Sorry if this is off topic. I really just want to kite. |
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matt99eo
Since 12 Jun 2008
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| Wed Mar 21, 12 9:39 pm |
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Two comments:
1. LOL perpetual motion.
2. We need better energy storage solutions. One issue with wind energy and even electric cars for that matter energy is storage. |
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Hein
Since 08 Mar 2005
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| Thu Mar 22, 12 5:45 am |
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| Please remind me again of what horrible things are supposed to happen if we don't all save power and reduce our carbon footprint? |
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SalmonSlayer
Since 27 Nov 2005
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| Thu Mar 22, 12 6:04 am |
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| Hein wrote: | | Please remind me again of what horrible things are supposed to happen if we don't all save power and reduce our carbon footprint? |
First the sky will fall.. |
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Occupied Columbia
Since 12 Nov 2011
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Columbia City
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| Thu Mar 22, 12 6:51 am |
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| Look out your window and 70 cities today with record highs??? Global warming is real. |
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cosmodog
Since 06 Oct 2005
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| Thu Mar 22, 12 8:03 am |
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| Quote: | | Please remind me again of what horrible things are supposed to happen if we don't all save power and reduce our carbon footprint? |
Here's my take on global warming: A bunch of smart scientists are claiming they have modeled climate change (due to humans) and things are looking bad over the next couple of hundred years. But climate modeling is a new and inexact science. So here's the options:
1. They are wrong (all is well - keep driving your Hummer)
2. They are right but we get lucky and stave off the next ice age (all is well - keep driving your Hummer)
3. They are right and the cost to prevent flooding in coastal cities cripples the world economies
So what are the odds of option 3? I am guessing much greater than zero. If its 1% do you change you behavior? How about 10%? |
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beech
Since 21 Aug 2010
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| Thu Mar 22, 12 8:14 am |
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Climate is changing , has been changing forever and will continue to change. Maybe people are affecting it somewhat. That's debatable. Can we influence it in this country? Doubtful as the increasing emissions from China and India alone mask any cuts we make. You would need something akin to a world government to force compliance across the globe, but then, climate change would be the least of your concerns.
Conservation and wise use of resources is always a good argument. But the global warming, carbon footprint, Al Gore hypocrisy theme has grown stale.
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Occupied Columbia
Since 12 Nov 2011
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| Thu Mar 22, 12 8:36 am |
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| By ignorant I don't mean "not intelligent" by any means. Were all busy doing our own thing. You have to be ignorant of the facts to think that global warming is not occurring at rapid pace due to human consumption. I just watched a documentary on yellowstone park. a glacier there will be gone (at current decline rate) in 75 years. It's been there how many years. 1000's...millions of years? Is that coincidence? maybe? But, there are thousands of similar facts. Personally I think it's too late anyway. Temperature changes make bigger winds! Woohoo! |
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SalmonSlayer
Since 27 Nov 2005
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| Thu Mar 22, 12 8:38 am |
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| beech wrote: | | You would need something akin to a world government to force compliance across the globe, but then, climate change would be the least of your concerns. |
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2012/03/17/effective-world-government-will-still-be-needed-to-stave-off-climate-catastrophe/
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"Behavioral economics and other forward-looking disciplines in the social sciences try to grapple with weighty questions. But they have never taken on a challenge of this scale, recruiting all seven billion of us to act in unison. The ability to sustain change globally across the entire human population over periods far beyond anything ever attempted would appear to push the relevant objectives well beyond the realm of the attainable. If we are ever to cope with climate change in any fundamental way, radical solutions on the social side are where we must focus, though." |
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beech
Since 21 Aug 2010
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Longview, WA
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| Thu Mar 22, 12 9:25 am |
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
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| Thu Mar 22, 12 10:11 am |
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| Hein wrote: | | Please remind me again of what horrible things are supposed to happen if we don't all save power and reduce our carbon footprint? |
Terrorists are funded by petro dollars. Foreign oil imports skew our balance of trade in a bad way. Drive a hummer, buy al-Qaeda lunch. OK, I'm exaggerating a little. A little. But still, as a country we need to eliminate our dependence on foreign oil for economic and national security reasons.
If we had loaned the now failed Aptera a fraction of the money we gave the big three, people would have the option of buying an ultra high mileage car. if enough people drove an Aptera, demand for fuel would have plummeted. Gas prices would have fallen, benefiting the Hummer drivers. I could have gone kiting at the coast for a few bucks worth of gas. Dependence on foreign oil would have decreased. Everyone would have won. Well, the big three and Exxon/BP would have lost money. And that's why neither the Republicans nor the Democrats gave a sh*&.
BTW, electric cars are a joke. The increase in efficiency over IC engines is incremental at best. Ultra high efficiency vehicles are what's needed, regardless of power source. Not just the same old over complex cars we currently drive. (Hybrids and Volts included.) The current crop of Hybrids and electric cars have questionable benefit to either our economy or our environment. Electric vehicles produce plenty of emissions, just not at the tailpipe. Where are the emissions? (Hint: look at the coal fired electric plants...)
I'm not saying force an Aptera-like car on anybody. I'm not saying tax the Hummers. I'm saying give people the option to drive a 200 mpg car at a reasonable cost and enough people will make that choice on their own. We bailed out Wall Street and the Big Three. Why not just a little for the best damn car in the world, made right here in America? Sigh... |
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
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| Thu Mar 22, 12 10:13 am |
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| Woo Hoo! It's windy! Kiting in Kailua today! |
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beech
Since 21 Aug 2010
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| Thu Mar 22, 12 10:37 am |
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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| Thu Mar 22, 12 1:26 pm |
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By far my favorite stupid fucking redneck quote " lets face it... fossil fuels aren't going away time soon" Ummm? Actually, there are going away. There are going away very very quickly.
What's even funnier is that someone that lives in longview (which lets face it, smells like cat piss because of all the mills) is crying about the aesthetic impacts of windmills in the gorge.
I'm not really surprised, the level of ignorance in this country is simply staggering. Yeah, its only us uneducated ones that are pushing for alternative power.
We should just ignore all the information out there and just stay the course. There is plenty of fossil fuel, there are sufficient energy technologies, I can still drive wherever I want, wind and solar energy is completely retarded.
We certainly shouldn't put tax money into renewable energy research and infrastructure. We should let other countries develop and manufacture those technologies in order to ensure that there are no new jobs or industries created in this country. nothing ever changes in communities, they are completely static. All those rural places can still subsist through natural resource extraction and agriculture.
We should just concentrate on selling our precious natural resources to other countries. Timber to Japan? Check. Rail car delivered coal bound for asia? Coming soon to a gorge near you!! We will still make shitty cars though!!! Even if the government has to step in from time to time and help them out with a portion of my hard earned money.
blah blah blah. Sing your uneducated backwards ass shit somewhere else. I suspect you started this thread because nobody ever listens to your bullshit in person.
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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quenyaistar
Since 21 Oct 2011
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| Thu Mar 22, 12 1:44 pm |
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Why is battery technology advancing so slowly?
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