gas saver ?? reduce kite commute costs

registered · Since 12 Jul 2005 1319 Posts tsunami Sandbagger

Anyone know anything about this latest wave of ideas? its cheap but is it real?
do it yourself hydrogen eco vehicle Shocked

http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/?hop=14225

if its real it sounds good Wink

any car guys out there who can tell us why its a bad deal??

BigR · Since 05 Jul 2005 372 Posts White Salmon Obsessed

not a chance!

thanks for the laugh tho'

pkh · Since 27 Feb 2005 6549 Posts Couve / Hood Honored Founder

The HHO thing is interesting to poke around the net about, you'll find a lot of stuff like this and very little that gives you the real story. To split Hydrogen from water you need electricity, the amount of electricity required is going to more or less be the same you'd use to run an electric car. So going HHO means having all the complexity of a combustion vehicle, with the power requirements of an eletric car.

My guess is you are just baiting me on this, mission successful!

For some real possibilities on fuel savings, how about the Chevy Volt?

http://www.chevrolet.com/electriccar/

Can we expect a documentary coming out soon? "Who Killed the Electric Car 2: Who resurrected the Electric Car?"

registered · Since 12 Jul 2005 1319 Posts tsunami Sandbagger

heres where I saw it first...

http://eugene.craigslist.org/car/703828299.html

suburban for sale with the system.

too good to be true??

don't think I will throw a 48$ kit to run water on my hybrid civic unless its for sure.

mschulz · Since 29 May 2007 530 Posts Reno, NV Addicted

I have my engineer working on this and will report back. The concept makes sense, and PKH, you are right, it will take energy to make the HHO, but your alternator is always running on a conventional car, so the electricity is not an issue for a regular car.

Anything to save a buck or two.

hamlindp · Tue Jun 03, 08 7:34 am

I know I guy who has added this to his Suburby.

No worry about a highly combustible storage tank, the Hydrogen is produced when needed and pumped directly into the intake.

The electricity needed for conversion, as already stated, is provided by the alternator.

My friend said it did increase his mileage a bit.

undertow · Since 15 Feb 2008 371 Posts BeaversBurg Obsessed

you could use solar cells to split the water molecules,on your roof, but hydrogen has more power than gas fumes, and will wear out the pistons in a regular engine

hamlindp · Tue Jun 03, 08 7:54 am

This would be true if it were strickly Hydrogen, but this stuff is added to the flow of gas, so you don't have to press so hard on the gas and it's not as explosive as pure Hydrogen.

I NEED SOME WIND PLEASE!!!!!!!!! Mad

pkh · Since 27 Feb 2005 6549 Posts Couve / Hood Honored Founder

Perhaps its able to pickup some energy left over by inefficiencies in the alternator (producing more electricity than needed and thus creating more drag on the engine than needed) but you wouldn't get something from nothing essentially using electricity to divide hydrogen out of water and add it into the combustion process.

It'd be like powering an electric motor from the alternator to help power the car... Right? Perpetual motion machine?

I am not an engineer, so I really don't know.

hamlindp · Tue Jun 03, 08 7:59 am

True dat

registered · Since 12 Jul 2005 1319 Posts tsunami Sandbagger

ecklund generater Very Happy

perpetual

pdxmonkeyboy · Tue Jun 03, 08 8:04 am

there was someone on the forum talking about installing it on his car a month or so ago but he never answered my PM. It will take more energy to produce the HHO as your alternator is going to have to work harder to produce the extra electricity but I wouldn't think that it would be that noticible of a difference.

I did a fair amount of research on the system, it seems the most effective ones use a electronic diode or pot so that you can tweak your gas/air mixture. Allegedly, you can lean out your mixture quite a bit when your burning hydrogen and oxygen with your gas.

BigR · Since 05 Jul 2005 372 Posts White Salmon Obsessed

the amount oh hydrogen and oxygen produced by even 20 amps is infinitessimal compared to the amount of gas needed to combust............. not to mention the size of the electrodes or the electrolysis tank itself or the heat generated by electrolysis or the weight of the electrolyte or how quickly the solution or electrodes would need to be changed or etc etc etc
pure gimmick, but knock yourselves out........

hamlindp · Tue Jun 03, 08 8:14 am

Not true. As per what has already been established, no storage tank is needed. Just a cylinder the size of a drinking fountain water filter with a couple of stainless electrodes inside, and H2O. The Hydrogen is used up as soon as it's made. No pipe dream.

But what is truly needed right now is MORE WIND PLEASE!

genek · Since 21 Jul 2006 2165 Posts East Po KGB

mschulz · Since 29 May 2007 530 Posts Reno, NV Addicted

I have the book and it is a complicated procedure on building this. After reading it, I would be weary of testing it on a vehicle that you care about.

hamlindp · Tue Jun 03, 08 8:23 am

My thoughts exactly.