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Campbell

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PostMon Aug 03, 20 8:49 am     Reply with quote

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Justsmile

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PostMon Aug 03, 20 9:33 am     Reply with quote

Stop whining. What a price for a kite. Get it repaired for the 50 bucks off they gave you. Resell it for the same price and it will be gone
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jeremy

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PostMon Aug 03, 20 12:23 pm    looks vs function Reply with quote

I agree, those scuffs and tear don't look good, but I bet it still works pretty good.

If you fly it enough, RPMs eventually RIP, Pop, and Mangle, and it won't be because of any of those cosmetic issues you are complaining about. Leading edges will blow-out (fabric fatigue), canopy fabric will become like tissue paper, valves will delaminate, seen it all, but that's after years of FUN, FUN, FUN.

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Kay

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PostMon Aug 03, 20 1:11 pm     Reply with quote

It doesn’t matter how much he paid for the kite, $5, $250, $1500, the condition posted was not the condition he received it in, period. A long time kiter should easily be able to give it a proper classification, it was omitted on purpose if you ask me... Imagine you were selling the same kite/year/model/size/price and had it posted with “one small pinhole repair”, guess what, your kite would of not sold before this one, even if you had a better deal, your honesty would of backfired.

Sellers, please be diligent in your descriptions and help us keep our community trusting of one another. Also this will save 3% in PayPal fees if buyers pay friends and family.

Buyers, ask for more info if you have questions. Sellers that have nothing to hide will accommodate with pictures, I know I do.

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eric

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PostMon Aug 03, 20 1:41 pm     Reply with quote

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treitz

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PostMon Aug 03, 20 3:53 pm     Reply with quote

I tend to agree the the issue here is "not as advertised." Regardless of price, the product should come as advertised.

Also worth noting, "good seller" / "bad seller" is a very common thing on much larger forums across the web. It's common practice to share your experiences with sellers, and call people out by name if experiences aren't satisfactory. I'm not saying that needs to be done here, but this "don't call somebody out" mentality isn't necessarily warranted either.

Regardless, bummed you had this experience. Sucks spend money on something and not be satisfied with it.

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Ho-Toe

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PostTue Aug 04, 20 8:56 am    Anybody know a kite repair guy? Reply with quote

Here’s a novel idea:

Why don’t you return the kite to the well-known kite repairman, have him repair it, and have your little lover’s quarrel in private?

Jeeeesh...

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dangler

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PostTue Aug 04, 20 10:37 am    URBAN WARRIORS Reply with quote

So this is the guy who bought a used kite from me. Not my kite per se, I got it from a shop. It was missing bladders, but in surprisingly good condition for a six year old kite. The canopy was not uv'd, the attachment points looked pristine, 2014 was the year they used fancy slider rings instead of pulleys and there was no wear on the bridle.

Obviously a low hours kite judging from the year. RPM's are incredibly tough kites, but after six years of average use they're pretty beat. This appears to have more like two seasons on it. I put in new factory bladders, NOS, hard to come by. I charge $75 to install bladders, its a PITA and I avoid it as much as I can As many of you know, you better be a cute girl or bribe me with beer to get me to do bladders!

So I pump it up, check it over and it looks good. There's some pinholes with nice round patches, spinnaker patches well done as I would've but I probably wouldn't have because pinholes are no big deal. I noticed the scuff marks but didn't see any damage. The one picture he sent me (his only initial complaint was what described as a small tear. I could easily have missed that on a 12 m kite. Shipping it back to me is impractical , $44 each way, so I told him I would likely charge $25 to fix a small tear like that. I figured it would be more in Seattle and offered him $50. I also offered to send him some sail tape so he could fix it himself.

So after much back and forth, much of it strangely passive/aggressive, I got fed up with guy when he started threatening me and making unilateral demands. So when he said he was going to file a FRAUD complaint with Paypal and I stopped communicating and said fine, whatever dude, lets see how that plays out.

I would much rather sell a used kite in person so that why I advertised on this forum. Someone can pump it up, check it over, no issues. This was the first of several responses, so first come..... I agreed to ship it as I have several repair customers in Seattle and I'm familiar with the process and its usually around 30-40 bucks for a big kite. I told him $35 and if it was more I'd pay the difference, It was $44 with insurance. He also wanted a bar, I told him I had an old bar I'd sell for $150. He offerred $125 and I agreed. Turns out after tearing apart my house for three hours that I had already sold that bar last summer (doh) so I proptly refunded the $125.

The usual buyer of old but serviceable kites are usually people getting into the sport that are likely going to pummel their first kite, They would've been thrilled to own this kite. This guy appears to be an experienced kiter yet he expected a six year old kite advertised for $275 to be perfect? He expects to pay $275 for an $800 KITE.

sO LONG STORY SHORT. I sold a nice kite for an excellent price and this white privelege urban warrior is out to prove what a deceitful rippoff I am by trying to smear me on the interwebs. Good luck with that, too.

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dangler

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PostTue Aug 04, 20 10:44 am    p.s. Reply with quote

I would't have had NO problem taking the kite back as its a nice kite and will remain a nice kite for years to come and would well serve some one looking to get into kiting, or as a backup, or for general fun times, but after paying paypal fees, kicking in on shipping, and DOING THE PACKING AND SHIPPING FOR FREE, I couldn't see taking a loss for a rude slandering choad.

And I totally agree this is all a private matter, unless of course you are AN URBAN WARRIOR!

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Anthony

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PostTue Aug 04, 20 11:04 am     Reply with quote

Buy a used kite advice, please add other ideas.

I have bought many kites online and in person.
My in person experience has been good. Pump each kite up. I check each kite for damage. Check the all the bladder connections with a spray bottle of dish soap and water. Bring a towel to wipe it off. Check all the kite line connections, in particular the lines that are in the pulleys for length and wear. Meet at a place to check kite line length of the bars. A kite bar review for wear, connections and safety release. It takes planning. Spray bottle, towel, good pump, carabineer with proper line connections to check bar line length. Do your homework! The pump, spray bottle and towel are a must; this has saved my hundreds in repairs and frustration. The kite should come with the original bag. Look at the kite bag; this can help tell you how the owner has taken care of it. Try to buy from original owner if possible.

My online experience is all over the board. One person good is another person fair minus. I have them use the Windance Scale when I communicate with them. For the most part, I have had good experiences. My only bad experience is a dealer stating the kite was good. The kite’s bladder would not hold air. Multiple leaks! I finally replaced the bladder. I got good at fixing and installing bladders! When asking about it, he stated he was selling for the customer, he did not check it. The bar was missing one of the lines. It took him almost a year before he made that right with a used line set. I will never buy anything from that dealer! This with not a west coast dealer.

When I sell a kite, I accuracy describe each kite. Kites devalue quickly! Most sellers know they do not want to take the kite back home, or deal with another person. Don’t low ball, it shows you are really not interested. Treating each other with respect goes a long way.

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thefinalsound

Since 27 Jun 2008
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PostWed Aug 05, 20 9:19 pm     Reply with quote

Anthony wrote:
Buy a used kite advice, please add other ideas.

I have bought many kites online and in person.
My in person experience has been good. Pump each kite up. I check each kite for damage. Check the all the bladder connections with a spray bottle of dish soap and water. Bring a towel to wipe it off. Check all the kite line connections, in particular the lines that are in the pulleys for length and wear. Meet at a place to check kite line length of the bars. A kite bar review for wear, connections and safety release. It takes planning. Spray bottle, towel, good pump, carabineer with proper line connections to check bar line length. Do your homework! The pump, spray bottle and towel are a must; this has saved my hundreds in repairs and frustration. The kite should come with the original bag. Look at the kite bag; this can help tell you how the owner has taken care of it. Try to buy from original owner if possible.

My online experience is all over the board. One person good is another person fair minus. I have them use the Windance Scale when I communicate with them. For the most part, I have had good experiences. My only bad experience is a dealer stating the kite was good. The kite’s bladder would not hold air. Multiple leaks! I finally replaced the bladder. I got good at fixing and installing bladders! When asking about it, he stated he was selling for the customer, he did not check it. The bar was missing one of the lines. It took him almost a year before he made that right with a used line set. I will never buy anything from that dealer! This with not a west coast dealer.

When I sell a kite, I accuracy describe each kite. Kites devalue quickly! Most sellers know they do not want to take the kite back home, or deal with another person. Don’t low ball, it shows you are really not interested. Treating each other with respect goes a long way.



Thanks Anthony, that's really solid advice.

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thefinalsound

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PostWed Aug 05, 20 9:23 pm     Reply with quote

Justsmile wrote:
Stop whining. What a price for a kite. Get it repaired for the 50 bucks off they gave you. Resell it for the same price and it will be gone


I'm not sure if you didn't catch my issue with that scenario, but I don't live locally to a kite repair, so I would be out at least $60 or so for round trip shipping if I were to use the seller's money for the repair. Not sure why anyone would buy a kite, then immediately be down that much money for no fault of their own and be fine with it.

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thefinalsound

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PostWed Aug 05, 20 9:57 pm    Re: p.s. Reply with quote

Edited:

Deleted, need to deescalate this situation, I'm removing direct arguments with seller.

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dangler

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PostWed Aug 05, 20 11:10 pm    fu Reply with quote

You are a lying POS. I think you are trying to get a free kite by working the system. I doubt you even kite. send me the kite back and I will return the balance you have paid me less fees. Then please eat shit and die. Love, Dangler
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Kay

Since 11 May 2009
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PostWed Aug 05, 20 11:23 pm    Re: fu Reply with quote

dangler wrote:
You are a lying POS. I think you are trying to get a free kite by working the system. I doubt you even kite. send me the kite back and I will return the balance you have paid me less fees. Then please eat shit and die. Love, Dangler


ahhh, this is why I love the used gear market... the customer service is second to none! Laughing

The buyer plays the game very well, perhaps better than you. I'm just surprised you gave up this easily. Can we see a few more jabs before you call it quits? Popcorn

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Kay

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PostWed Aug 05, 20 11:36 pm     Reply with quote

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JK. Kite is beaten down but I still fly it regularly, see my actual post. The harness and board are 9/10 (used less than 5 times) and 10/10 (new).

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Matt V

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PostThu Aug 06, 20 8:47 am     Reply with quote

Great thread!

Thanks to thefinalsound for posting this. You seem to be a stand-up guy for not naming the seller in case this was a one-off deal gone bad. Now I think everyone here can formulate some ideas about how to buy used gear to ones actual expectations, not just to a really good sales pitch.

And thanks to dangler for fessing up that it was him and in the end showing his true character. I think everyone now can make their own informed decision as to whether or not to do business with him.

I too have purchased kites which we're by no means to my expectations as to what the description "in good condition", meant. And now I've got a long list of things to ask about a kite before I purchase it.

1. Are there any cosmetic scuffs or tar on the canopy or Leading Edge?
2. Are there any unrepaired tears or pin holes in the canopy?
3. Are there any repairs or taped pin holes on the canopy?
4. Has the leading edge been dragged across rocks and scuff marks or partial through cuts on it?
5. Does the leading edge have any cuts through it?
6. Does any of the stitching on the leading edge Look frayed for stretching when inflated?
7. Has the bar been kept free of saltwater, and is there any corrosion on any of the exposed metal parts?
8. What is the pressure drop after 1 hour of being inflated?
9. Why in the hell would anyone selling a kite go through this much trouble to make sure that the buyer gets exactly what they asked for?
10. And why in the hell would anyone buying a kite think that anyone selling a kite would do the above honestly for them?

Use kites are a crap shoot! I've been burned on pretty much 1 through 8. Or at least I felt like I was and the seller didn't feel like they screwed me. Oh and the best way to keep your self from getting screwed, is to ask one through eight of the seller, and that seller just won't respond to you. Then you can buy kites on closeout for just a tad bit more money with much more life, reliability, and resale ability to them. But then again, if you're going to resell them anyway, aren't you just going to screw the next guy down the line by not disclosing a bunch of issues with the kite?

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