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May 14 Rufus...incident with Native American fisherman
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dangler

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PostMon May 16, 16 5:07 pm    I've been personally hooked by 3 different fisherman. Reply with quote

What'd they do, throw you back in cuz you're small?
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SpaceRacer

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PostMon May 16, 16 6:06 pm     Reply with quote

Wow! That place looks like it's going to be shut down one way or the other.

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dhhr

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PostTue May 17, 16 7:27 am     Reply with quote

I just read that according to the OR dept. of fish & wildlife, they extended chinook and steelhead fishing on the Columbia for an additional 3 days from Astoria to McNary Dam from May 13 - 15:

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/news/2016/05_May/051116.asp

The ODFW website says: "After the 15th, this section of the Columbia River will revert to permanent regulations", which are here:

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/resources/fishing/docs/16ORFW-Final-LR.pdf

I'm not sure about the fishing season after May 15, but this extension would explain the number of fishing poles on the bank last weekend.

I guess it would be worthwhile to take a look at ODFW Salmon & Steelhead updates and exceptions on the Columbia before heading out to Rufus.

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Freeride Kiter

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PostTue May 17, 16 8:20 am     Reply with quote

Sunday there were poles all the way out to the end of the hook (lines out of water). Had to drift launch out of the pocket or walk through them. Even through they were not fishing - we launched at the west end to keep things cool.
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Freeride Kiter

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PostTue May 17, 16 8:23 am     Reply with quote

crud you said west... sorry

There were poles all the way down to the brush - just before the cool little gravel beach pocket the windsurfers love.

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A.K.

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PostTue May 17, 16 3:52 pm     Reply with quote

I always give the native fisherman a wide berth. I sense that the natives are little bitter. But its probably because we stole their land.

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PostTue May 17, 16 4:21 pm     Reply with quote

In speaking with some of the water patrol officers and tribal officers o,ver the years regarding the growth of drift nets and fishing lines along the columbia and more specifically along publicly used launch areas, they commented that there are newer generations of native americans seeking fishing as an income means.
The reason for the sometime random odd fishing (net and line) locations is due to the need to find new or non-previously established fishing locations already claimed by other tribes or families.

This could sound a bit off topic, but it relates to what you may notice along the Columbia these past few years and what is possibly expected in the coming years.
Their only restriction (as far as I know) is that they cannot be in the barge lanes, otherwise, they can be located just about anywhere they like as long as their is likely to be fish there.

A few years ago some windsurfers were cutting the net and fishing lines (ideally not maliciously, but as a result of what they thought were safety concerns). This resulted in some very emotionally driven anger from the tribes towards the windsurfers (kiters were at the meeting and not lumped in with the windsurfers).

As a lot of others have pointed out in this thread, it is something we need to do our best to work with and approach any situations with calm and friendly demeanor. Anger begets anger and respect earns respect.

The CGKA is going to have a rep see if there are any lines of communication or dialogue that can be established with the tribal/fishing community.
No promises, but it's a start.

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PostTue May 17, 16 4:46 pm     Reply with quote

A.K. wrote:
I always give the native fisherman a wide berth. I sense that the natives are little bitter. But its probably because we stole their land.


If you believe you stole something, give it back.

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HRnico

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PostTue May 17, 16 5:16 pm     Reply with quote

Stole their land? That was 150 years ago. I stole nothing
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PostTue May 17, 16 9:15 pm    Final words Reply with quote

The original intent of this post was simple. If you have an interaction with a fisherman make sure you have video to back your claim. It is their word against yours and in tribal court you will not win without proof. If you are injured by a fisherman call the number on the original post and report the injury. Beyond that be your peaceful self and hope you don't have to deal with angry Oscar and his girlfriend. Have fun stay safe.

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Anthony

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PostWed May 18, 16 6:27 am     Reply with quote

Pepi you hit it on the mark with what is going on out there. I am coming out to the Gorge the next three days. If Rufus has all the fishing poles at the launch area, I will not be there. Is the area still being fishing poled out? Please save me a wasted trip that direction.
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wylieflyote

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PostWed May 18, 16 6:35 am     Reply with quote

Anthony wrote:
Is the area still being fishing poled out?


Can't say much about today. But on Sunday May 15 there were unattended poles with lines out about every 40 feet from end to end the entire Rufus shoreline. These extended all the way out to the east-end point, near the lagoon. We could not see any logical way to access the kiting, and drove back home.
I initially thought I could walk between the poles with my kite at 12 noon, but that's insane as the lines are running criss-cross every which way. .

I hope this resolves itself someday

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PostWed May 18, 16 9:21 am    resolution Reply with quote

"I hope this resolves itself someday"

Spring chinook will be extinct sooner or later... Problem solved. Sad

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PostWed May 18, 16 5:00 pm     Reply with quote

It's now commercial fishing season, ceremonial tribal fishing has ended. Some of the fisher-people will continue to fish commercially with poles.
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PostWed May 18, 16 8:24 pm     Reply with quote

.... and it was great to see everyone going with flow and launching westside today. Way to take the high road despite the eastside launch being occcupied.
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Kmun

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PostFri May 20, 16 10:14 am    Culture Clash Reply with quote

Do not kick a hornets’ nest!

Effective distances:
Do not interpret the elbow to elbow distance between the fishing rods as permission for a kiter to navigate with similar clearance. The perception of invading their personal space is sensitized by a culture clash not only between sports but in this case effecting fisher-people’s livelihood.

In this setting it is arguable as to what type of disturbance can scare the fish. Considering the culture clash maintain ONE to TWO full Kite lines distance (30m) between you and the fishing rods. This applies to the shadow of your kite as well as your board skimming (w/fins whistling) above where their bait may be sitting on the bottom.

Was Oscars' cast into the kite an accident? HA! Right! Casting rods can be very, very accurate. Be thankful this was not a duck hunting insolent.

Easy and considerate.
If you must launch in the cove; distance yourself from the point buy towing yourself east down the center of the bay well off the point of the cove. It is lousy fish habitat and will not be of high value to salmon fisher people. Recreational bass fishers have been successful fishing in there as well as stirring up kiter conflicts causing rangers to intervene. It's a big ask but, it is wise to have a tactful conversation asking permission to launch between their casts. Describe that will allow tow yourself a considerate casting distance downwind (east) before heading north into the river. Returning and landing is not so easy but there are very quiet bays for dropping the kite on that south shore, east of the cove. Better yet...scroll down to the last paragraph.

Dogs unattended:
Over the years after each spring run; I have collected garbage bags full of mono-filament rats’ nests attached to human-toe sized stainless hooks adorned with dog-yummy smelly bait. Until we comb from the rocks this seasons mess humans and their best friends will be the catch of the day. Yes, I’d love to have my dog run in sight and under control while I rig, but not in this tinder box.

Reducing the pressure on the fishing zone:
Would anyone like to share a landing spot and technique for the areas west of the fishing zone?

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jcarlson

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PostTue May 24, 16 12:02 am     Reply with quote

The fishing poles were not in the east launch area last weekend or today, though still along much of the beach.

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